New Analysis on Obama's Democratic Party of Hawaii Certification of Nomination; Had Legal Help...

Birtherreport.com ^ | Sunday, January 9, 2011 | ObamaRelease YourRecords

[esquirette]

” . . .they know shortly the dems are going to be exposed for facilitating fraud during the 2008 presidential elections.”
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And again, any concern for unanticipated consequences is jettisoned in favor of the immediate result desired.

[ebysan]

Ping to you!!

You brought back several great articles about Obama being born in Kenya,Kenyan BC... Also at that site the Tom Fife Government Contractor in 1992 Who stated The World Elitist picked Obama long before the voters..... No media would carry this until election night when some radio show intervied him.

This man is a Physicist with high Government Clearence not a crackpot
This plays into my comment #81 Obama as Malcom-X “Legacy”

Thanks for the links..... There were actually 4 or 5 Articles from African Newspapers claiming that Obama was from Kenya, Africa in the past when she ran for the Senate

[jamese777]

You seem to be of the opinion that those birth announcements serve as historical proof of establishing Hawaii as Obama’s birthplace (despite the fact that these were discovered by a dem operative and no one can vouch for the integrity of the films being housed at the various libraries), what about the interview of Sarah Obama stating that she was there in the hospital in Mombasa when he was born. Or how about this article...is this any less substantive than what has been discovered to prove Obama was born in Hawaii?

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

http://www.thepowerhour.com/news4/obama_kenyan_birth_certificate.htm

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2011/01/atty-mario-apuzzo-cdr-kerchner-will-be.html

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I’m of the opinion that the birth notices are not primary evidence. The actual birth records at the Hawaii Department of Health are primary evidence and birth records are self-authenticating documents under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedures.
Newspaper birth notices are corroborating evidence.

If there was to be a grand jury investigation, the birth notices could be introduced as evidence and there would be an opportunity to cross examine and impeach the testimony of representatives of the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulliten on their authenticity. The internet posted scanned copies of those notices are irrelevant when it is possible to get neutral testimony from library officials and other witnesses on whether they are real or fake.

If there was ever to be a grand jury investigation, Sarah Obama can be called to testify as to her previous statements. The Mombassa birth story has already taken a huge hit with the quick exposure as a forgery of that fake birth certificate of an Australian man.
“Kenyan Mistake:” http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/kenyacert.asp

Articles on websites are always “less substantive” than the actual testimony of government officials. Since it is well known that former Governor Lingle is a Republican who endorsed John McCain for president, campaigned for Senator McCain against Barack Hussein Obama and gave an endorsement speech for Governor Sarah Palin at the Republican National Convention, the fact that Governor Lingle is 100% convinced that Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii is going to be very difficult to challenge in a court of law or before a congressional committee. Governor Lingle is backed up by the Director of Health in her administration and the Registrar of Vital Records who have both seen the original Obama birth records.

While I have no way to prove it, I’m personally convinced that Governor Lingle’s statements are the primary reason that Speaker of the House John Boehner just said: “Hawai’i says that the president was born there. That’s good enough for me.”

[Fantasywriter]

Agree with you completely. I have been saying, fwiw, that information will be forthcoming as Obama’s polls numbers fall. It’s one thing to leak on a popular occupier of the Oval Office, but quite another to see this man taking both the country and his own party down.

The MSM has managed to gloss over how much Obama hurt the Dems in the midtern. Slowly that truth is sinking in, however. Plus we know that Obama’s policies are directly designed to skyrocket energy costs. He both said as much, in so many words, and anybody who didn’t fall off the turnip truck yesterday can see it unfolding in real actions and in time.

Once energy prices start their upward trek, Obama’s poll numbers will begin the slide of no return. To our frustration, it probably still won’t be as fast as we’d like, but it will be steady and unstoppable. And when he hits a certain low, look for somebody somewhere to drop a smoking gun.

Meantime, we just have to persevere, keep the heat on, let our elected officials know this matters to us, tell our friends and neighbors about O’s fraud, and remain upbeat. Obama is trying to hold the lid down on a thousand lies; all we’re asking for is a glimmer of truth. We will win no matter how many FPs tell us otherwise; take it to the bank.

[Fantasywriter]

I don’t know the exact form it will take, but I believe Lakin will be vindicated beyond our wildest dreams. There is more than just ‘embarrassment’ lurking in Obama’s unreleased records. It could be that the Occidental admission application is Obama’s worst nightmare. Or he may have a whole slew of worst nightmares; time will tell. All we have to do is keep this issue simmering as close to the front burner as we can get it, and the facts will eventually come out—to LTC Lakin’s total and complete vindication.

[Ladysforest]

So far we have not found any indication or proof that any race or color/ other than the allowed officially mandated ones, has been used. I’ve never heard of any COLB out of Hawaii other than obama’s, listing race as “African”.

Africa is a continent made up of many countries. It simply refers to anyone from the continent of Africa, so, not a race/color.

It would be like me listing my race as “American”.

Page 231 contains the requirements for “Race and color.”

“Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and “other nonwhite.”

There was NO classification for “African” (or African-American)

http://www.nber.org/vital-statistics/historical/nat61_1.CV.pdf

The classifications were mandated by the government. Hawaii could not just up and put anything on them. If I said I was Swedish, they would have classed me as “white”.

[Triple]

thanks -

Would be interesting to see a COLB with “Negro” as race.

But those guidelines should be a strong lead for any self-respecting journalist. (If there are any that are truly seeking the truth.)

Best regards

[little jeremiah]

Just in case no one has answered yet, people have found the list of races/ethnicities in use in HI in the 60s, and “African” is not on the list, nor is “black”. “Negro” was the only one that would suit.

Hopefully others will chime in, maybe someone has the list given.

[Hotlanta Mike]

Since it is well known that former Governor Lingle is a Republican who endorsed John McCain for president, campaigned for Senator McCain against Barack Hussein Obama and gave an endorsement speech for Governor Sarah Palin at the Republican National Convention, the fact that Governor Lingle is 100% convinced that Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii is going to be very difficult to challenge in a court of law or before a congressional committee. Governor Lingle is backed up by the Director of Health in her administration and the Registrar of Vital Records who have both seen the original Obama birth records.

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I could give a hoot about McCain and whether Lingle endorsed him. In the case in NH that challenged his eligibility for POTUS, he used the same argument that Obama is now getting away with - standing.

McCain’s lawyer stated that a citizen had no standing and cannot show proof of direct injury. And besides, if McCain were a true patriot and not fixated on obtaining office at any cost, he should have demanded equal protection when a Senate committee, of which Obama and Hillary were both seated, investigated his eligibility for office.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us/politics/11mccain.html

[edge919]

I’m of the opinion that the birth notices are not primary evidence. The actual birth records at the Hawaii Department of Health are primary evidence and birth records are self-authenticating documents under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedures. Newspaper birth notices are corroborating evidence.

And it's no coincidence that none of this 'evidence,' primary or so-called corroborating has ever been presented in a court of law.

[Ladysforest]

It’s on page 231:

http://www.nber.org/vital-statistics/historical/nat61_1.CV.pdf

[edge919]

On that report, it also mentions how many babies were born out of state for each state. IOW, they registered births in Hawaii (and other states) for babies not born in state. IIRC, there were about 100 in 1961. Further it says that the statistics don’t include babies born overseas. Easily, Obama’s birth could have fallen into one of these categories.

[Hotlanta Mike]

Or as hard copies. We only see digital copies...

[jamese777]

And it’s no coincidence that none of this ‘evidence,’ primary or so-called corroborating has ever been presented in a court of law.

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And that’s because birther attorneys are too inept to put up a plaintiff with standing to sue and because no prosecuting attorney in the nation has initiated a Grand Jury investigation of Obama’s eligibility. And finally, there has been no state or federal legislative investigation.

Unfortunately for birthers, they have been trying to play in the “World Series” of the legal world with “Little League” level lawyers. Not one “major league, all-star” quality conservative constitutional attorney has represented any plaintiff in 90 Obama eligibility suits.

With “major league” quality attorneys comes the ability to present to a court plaintiffs who will be granted standing to sue.

[edge919]

You have knack for using analogies that shoot your beliefs in the foot. Showing a real birth certificate is so easy a Little Leaguer can do it. Why won’t Obama?? If it’s really self-authenticating, then it should be a cinch and would prove Obama’s so-far unsupported claim.

[wintertime]

Ultimately Obama will win or lose this in the most powerful court of all: The Court of Public Opinion.

The guy is in trouble BIG TIME. ( Drip Drip Drip)

Also...On **every** thread you post the Lingle-Fukino drivel. So, since it is sooooooooo clearly straight forward, Obama should simply promptly release **all** of the **best** evidence that would prove or disprove his natural born citizenship.

Obama does not because he can not.

[little jeremiah]

Great comments.

[little jeremiah]

Thank you.

[DrC]

“Does anyone have the ‘COLB rules’ for race in place in Hawaii in 1961?”

“Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for
vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese,
Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian
(combined), and “other nonwhite.”
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf (see p. 5-7 in document, which is p. 231 of the pdf).

[DrC]

FWIW, the same source says:
“The complete rules followed in the classification of geographic and personal items for births are set forth in the unpublished instruction manual “Coding and Punching Geographic and Personal Particulars for Births Occurring in 1961, “ 1961.

So unless someone knows a very old Census worker who is a packrat, it seems unlikely we’ll unearth this instruction manual, as it is unlikely to be anywhere on-line.