Replies

You seem to be of the opinion that those birth announcements serve as historical proof of establishing Hawaii as Obama’s birthplace (despite the fact that these were discovered by a dem operative and no one can vouch for the integrity of the films being housed at the various libraries), what about the interview of Sarah Obama stating that she was there in the hospital in Mombasa when he was born. Or how about this article...is this any less substantive than what has been discovered to prove Obama was born in Hawaii?

I’m of the opinion that the birth notices are not primary evidence. The actual birth records at the Hawaii Department of Health are primary evidence and birth records are self-authenticating documents under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedures.
Newspaper birth notices are corroborating evidence.

If there was to be a grand jury investigation, the birth notices could be introduced as evidence and there would be an opportunity to cross examine and impeach the testimony of representatives of the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulliten on their authenticity. The internet posted scanned copies of those notices are irrelevant when it is possible to get neutral testimony from library officials and other witnesses on whether they are real or fake.

If there was ever to be a grand jury investigation, Sarah Obama can be called to testify as to her previous statements. The Mombassa birth story has already taken a huge hit with the quick exposure as a forgery of that fake birth certificate of an Australian man.
“Kenyan Mistake:” http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/kenyacert.asp

Articles on websites are always “less substantive” than the actual testimony of government officials. Since it is well known that former Governor Lingle is a Republican who endorsed John McCain for president, campaigned for Senator McCain against Barack Hussein Obama and gave an endorsement speech for Governor Sarah Palin at the Republican National Convention, the fact that Governor Lingle is 100% convinced that Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii is going to be very difficult to challenge in a court of law or before a congressional committee. Governor Lingle is backed up by the Director of Health in her administration and the Registrar of Vital Records who have both seen the original Obama birth records.

While I have no way to prove it, I’m personally convinced that Governor Lingle’s statements are the primary reason that Speaker of the House John Boehner just said: “Hawai’i says that the president was born there. That’s good enough for me.”

Since it is well known that former Governor Lingle is a Republican who endorsed John McCain for president, campaigned for Senator McCain against Barack Hussein Obama and gave an endorsement speech for Governor Sarah Palin at the Republican National Convention, the fact that Governor Lingle is 100% convinced that Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii is going to be very difficult to challenge in a court of law or before a congressional committee. Governor Lingle is backed up by the Director of Health in her administration and the Registrar of Vital Records who have both seen the original Obama birth records.

I could give a hoot about McCain and whether Lingle endorsed him. In the case in NH that challenged his eligibility for POTUS, he used the same argument that Obama is now getting away with - standing.

McCain’s lawyer stated that a citizen had no standing and cannot show proof of direct injury. And besides, if McCain were a true patriot and not fixated on obtaining office at any cost, he should have demanded equal protection when a Senate committee, of which Obama and Hillary were both seated, investigated his eligibility for office.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us/politics/11mccain.html

I’m of the opinion that the birth notices are not primary evidence. The actual birth records at the Hawaii Department of Health are primary evidence and birth records are self-authenticating documents under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedures. Newspaper birth notices are corroborating evidence.

And it's no coincidence that none of this 'evidence,' primary or so-called corroborating has ever been presented in a court of law.

John Boehner just said: “Hawai’i says that the president was born there. That’s good enough for me.”

Just show us the papers ...

Someone’s hearsay say-so is no longer good enough.