EXHIBITS A & B Nothing to do with any 'missing page' that I can see, and it seems as if he signed it.
Posted on 01/03/2011 2:35:42 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
For reasons clear to no one just yet, Hawaii's new Democrat governor, Neil Abercrombie, has gone public with his desire to silence the so-called "birthers" with proof of Barack Obama's Hawaiian birth.
"Maybe I'm the only one in the country," Abercrombie told the Los Angeles Times just before Christmas, "that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, 'I was here when that baby was born.'"
A few days later, Abercrombie clarified to Mark Niesse of the Associated Press that he didn't exactly see Obama's parents with their newborn son at the hospital, but that he "remembers seeing Obama as a child with his parents at social events."
Although the major media have questioned why Abercrombie would raise an issue that, according to the Los Angeles Times, "most people see as resolved," they take Abercrombie at his word as to what he knows about the young Obama family.
They shouldn't. Abercrombie's boasts about his relationship with the president's presumed parents, Barack Obama, Sr. and Ann Dunham, have got to unnerve the president and his close advisors. They know something the media perversely choose not to know: Abercrombie is remembering a past that never happened.
A member of the House's progressive caucus before his election as governor, Abercrombie has been talking excitedly about the relationship for years, playing John the Baptist to Obama's Jesus.
"Little Barry, that's what we called him," Abercrombie told the Chicago Tribune while "recalling his days with Obama Sr. and his future wife, Ann Dunham, at the University of Hawaii." If Obama were born on August 4, 1961, however, there could not have been many such days.
As is thoroughly documented, Ann and little Barry were in Seattle two weeks later, where she enrolled at the University of Washington. By the time she returned to Hawaii in late summer or fall 1962, Barack Sr. had left for Harvard for good.
Citing Abercrombie as source, a 2007 Hawaii TV news report claimed that Ann "became estranged from her husband, Barack Obama[,] Sr., after his departure for Harvard." I don't know about Hawaii, but in Missouri, if you flee your husband with baby in tow two weeks after his birth, that qualifies as "estrangement."
According to divorce papers filed in 1964, Barack Sr. and Ann married in Wailuku, Maui on February 2, 1961. But one has to wonder whether it was a marriage in anything but name, or whether there was a marriage at all. Obama himself writes in Dreams, "In fact, how and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I've never quite had the courage to explore."
No one attended the wedding -- not Abercrombie, not Ann's parents. In fact, no one in Barack Sr.'s clique seemed to know there was a relationship, let alone a wedding. Neil's brother Hal never saw Ann and Barack Sr. together. Another clique member, Pake Zane, who had distinct memories of Barack Sr., could not recall Ann at all. When Neil Abercrombie and Zane visited their friend in Nairobi in 1968, Barack Sr. shocked them by never once inquiring about his putative wife and 6-year-old son.
The 17-year-old Ann had met the 24 year-old Barack Sr. in Russian class at the University of Hawaii. Why they were studying Russian (in 1960, people like Lee Harvey Oswald studied Russian) is a question for another day. In Dreams, Ann provides only the sketchiest detail of their first date -- Barack Sr. came an hour late and with friends -- and nothing more.
A high school friend of Ann's claims to have received a letter or two from Ann in which she spoke about Barack Sr., and there is no reason to doubt her. But beyond this, there is no evidence of a relationship, and the only evidence for the marriage are the divorce papers, which are real and have been posted online.
One reason people marry in a county other than their own -- Maui County, for instance -- is to keep the announcement of the marriage license out of the local paper. By claiming a Maui wedding, and perhaps even attaining a Maui license, the Dunhams could have assured the baby an identity without drawing attention to the relationship.
If Obama had, in fact, been born out of wedlock, or if his father had been someone other than Barack Sr., that would not have affected Obama's eligibility for higher office, but it would have surely de-glamorized him. "Barry Dunham" does not exactly tease the imagination.
Whatever his contribution, Obama Sr. lent young Barry a name, an identity, and a romantic storyline. Obama's mother and grandparents sustained this narrative throughout Obama's childhood.
Barack Obama repeated this story in his memoir Dreams from My Father, and to good effect. When Obama hooked up with campaign guru David Axelrod in his 2004 race for the U.S. Senate, his story crystallized into a marketing strategy. In the retelling, little Barry is always two years old when Barack Sr. reluctantly leaves wife and son for Harvard. This is a lie.
Guided by Axelrod, Obama held off in his breakthrough keynote speech at the 2004 Democratic convention for all of 46 words -- including "Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much" -- before sharing his story with the world.
At the 2008 Democratic Convention in Denver, Obama leaped into the story in the very first sentence. "Four years ago," he began, "I stood before you and told you my story -- of the brief union between a young man from Kenya and a young woman from Kansas who weren't well-off or well-known, but shared a belief that in America, their son could achieve whatever he put his mind to."
In between the two convention speeches, the story of Obama's birth was told more often than that of anyone's since Jesus. No one, of course, told it as convincingly as Obama himself, especially in his game-saving Philadelphia speech, immodestly titled "A More Perfect Union."
In this speech, delivered to negate the baleful impact of the Jeremiah Wright videos, Obama attributed his faith in the American people to his "own American story." He reminded those few registered voters who might somehow have forgotten that "I am the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas." Although the proto-hippie Ann spent her formative teen years in Seattle, the storyline always places her in Kansas.
Obama and his operatives would invest enormous political capital in what sympathetic biographer David Remnick calls his "signature appeal: the use of the details of his own life as a reflection of a kind of multicultural ideal." From the beginning, they worked hard to protect the investment and did what they had to do to keep the storytellers in line.
Abercrombie may not have gotten the memo. Although the president was likely born in the United States, he may not have been born in Hawaii, he may not have been born in August 1961, he may not have been the son of Barack Sr., or he may have simply been listed as "white" on his birth certificate.
The truth is that the storied little family never lived together. Any fact that blew the storyline could have derailed Obama's candidacy before it got going. Expect the Abercrombie fuss to just sort of fade away.
Kenyans’ seem to have distinctive 9’s, and perhaps 2’s.
EXHIBITS A & B Nothing to do with any 'missing page' that I can see, and it seems as if he signed it.
Aha, thank you! My memory remembered something about - and I remember a visual image that looks just like what you posted (or sort of like it) but the discussion was that he hadn’t signed it. So it was either a copy of another document, or people were wrong about him not signing it (and thus delivery accomplished), or my memory is messed up.
:-(
Hi there, LJ - I don’t have the URL, but maybe Fred Nerks does.
No, your memory is fine, the story was that the docs had been returned to sender. However, it looks to me like he signed. But take nothing as gospel, I have seen his signature on another document..and it appears to match. BUT that other document has all the earmarks of being a fake.
The ‘missing page’ you are referring to must be PAGE 11 of the divorce documents.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2306351/posts?page=9611#9611
The numbers run from ONE TO TWELVE BUT THERE ONLY 11 PAGES.
You are incorrect. Fall quarter here at the UW does not start until late September, and that's how it's been for decades, including the 1960's.
It makes perfect sense. She obviously had some falling out with her husband and wanted to get away from him. That also explains why she didn't return to Hawaii until he left.
She wouldn't be the first teen bride to regret her hasty decision to marry.
The 1967 notation in Lolo’s FOIA files indicates that as per a certain law - Obama was considered a step-son. That could have changed later.
You certainly aren’t shy about jumping in with unsubstantiated explanations, are you? If the date of birth was August 4, she had at least a week in hospital (as was the norm in the sixties) that takes her to the eleventh of the month, then the pair of them take the child to social events where they were seen by Neil Abercrombie, (and he USED THE PLURAL, SO THERE WAS MORE THAN ONE) now she has to move to Seattle, find an apartment, enroll at the U of WA, which doesn’t commence until September 25, SO THERE IS NO ONE THERE.
And then she starts classes on August 19.
I would be delighted to have you unravel that for me. Really I would.
I’ve been saying for (years now... REALLY???? It’s been years with the COLB thing??) that I think she was in Seattle before and after the pregnancy with it being convenient to go across the border for delivery in socialized healthcare Canada for the birth.
” I thought Governor Abercrombie said ‘LITTLE BOY’ - that’s not how most would refer to a newborn infant. “
I believe he called him Little Barry , but, either way , it’s an odd phrase to use describing our Little Barry.
Who looks to be getting tinier by the minute .
Also , I thought he wasn’t called Little Barry until he moved to Indonesia.
OTOH-I think the alleged father went by the name Barry , but, I may have read that in Dreams , so in that case, it’s another fabrication.
In Dreams, Obama wrote that he was called “ Bar “ by his family.
Speaking of his name, his sister Maya gave an interview
( I’m pretty sure it was posted here at some point ) where she told the interviewer
that her brother changed the way “ Barack “ was pronounced because he thought his way sounded better.
And she demonstrated both pronunciations.
IIRC, BHO from Kenya apparently referred to himself
as BEAR ock or ick , instead of Ba ROCK.
Back to the infant.
People forget we are talking about 50 years ago and they think in terms of current day.
As others have pointed out,
new mothers stayed in the hospital for a week , it’s not the drive by delivery that we have today.
And it was common practice to keep the newborn in the home , away from the public and germs ,
for a period of weeks-not sure how long.
So, would a young mother 49 years ago defy traditional health practices and bring a newborn to social events ?
Ah, thank you for the details. Isn’t it amazing how everything that surfaces about this fiend just leads to other doubts and more mysterious dark alleys that seem to lead to dead ends, albeit with a few more trails leading off to - other dead ends and more trails.
Insane.
Wouldn’t quite work for him to date the return receipt as first day, 30th month, 1964.
Thanks justiceseeker93.
Based on the Corsi-gotten records Stanley Ann took a few UW extension summer courses which started on August 19th. Do you accept that?
Yeah, I remember you saying that and that’s still a theory in contention, imo!
Here’s a video of Susan Blake talking about Stanley Ann bringing Barry to see her on an August afternoon when he was “just a few weeks old.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=advfrQEeIBY
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