Posted on 01/03/2011 2:35:42 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
For reasons clear to no one just yet, Hawaii's new Democrat governor, Neil Abercrombie, has gone public with his desire to silence the so-called "birthers" with proof of Barack Obama's Hawaiian birth.
"Maybe I'm the only one in the country," Abercrombie told the Los Angeles Times just before Christmas, "that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, 'I was here when that baby was born.'"
A few days later, Abercrombie clarified to Mark Niesse of the Associated Press that he didn't exactly see Obama's parents with their newborn son at the hospital, but that he "remembers seeing Obama as a child with his parents at social events."
Although the major media have questioned why Abercrombie would raise an issue that, according to the Los Angeles Times, "most people see as resolved," they take Abercrombie at his word as to what he knows about the young Obama family.
They shouldn't. Abercrombie's boasts about his relationship with the president's presumed parents, Barack Obama, Sr. and Ann Dunham, have got to unnerve the president and his close advisors. They know something the media perversely choose not to know: Abercrombie is remembering a past that never happened.
A member of the House's progressive caucus before his election as governor, Abercrombie has been talking excitedly about the relationship for years, playing John the Baptist to Obama's Jesus.
"Little Barry, that's what we called him," Abercrombie told the Chicago Tribune while "recalling his days with Obama Sr. and his future wife, Ann Dunham, at the University of Hawaii." If Obama were born on August 4, 1961, however, there could not have been many such days.
As is thoroughly documented, Ann and little Barry were in Seattle two weeks later, where she enrolled at the University of Washington. By the time she returned to Hawaii in late summer or fall 1962, Barack Sr. had left for Harvard for good.
Citing Abercrombie as source, a 2007 Hawaii TV news report claimed that Ann "became estranged from her husband, Barack Obama[,] Sr., after his departure for Harvard." I don't know about Hawaii, but in Missouri, if you flee your husband with baby in tow two weeks after his birth, that qualifies as "estrangement."
According to divorce papers filed in 1964, Barack Sr. and Ann married in Wailuku, Maui on February 2, 1961. But one has to wonder whether it was a marriage in anything but name, or whether there was a marriage at all. Obama himself writes in Dreams, "In fact, how and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I've never quite had the courage to explore."
No one attended the wedding -- not Abercrombie, not Ann's parents. In fact, no one in Barack Sr.'s clique seemed to know there was a relationship, let alone a wedding. Neil's brother Hal never saw Ann and Barack Sr. together. Another clique member, Pake Zane, who had distinct memories of Barack Sr., could not recall Ann at all. When Neil Abercrombie and Zane visited their friend in Nairobi in 1968, Barack Sr. shocked them by never once inquiring about his putative wife and 6-year-old son.
The 17-year-old Ann had met the 24 year-old Barack Sr. in Russian class at the University of Hawaii. Why they were studying Russian (in 1960, people like Lee Harvey Oswald studied Russian) is a question for another day. In Dreams, Ann provides only the sketchiest detail of their first date -- Barack Sr. came an hour late and with friends -- and nothing more.
A high school friend of Ann's claims to have received a letter or two from Ann in which she spoke about Barack Sr., and there is no reason to doubt her. But beyond this, there is no evidence of a relationship, and the only evidence for the marriage are the divorce papers, which are real and have been posted online.
One reason people marry in a county other than their own -- Maui County, for instance -- is to keep the announcement of the marriage license out of the local paper. By claiming a Maui wedding, and perhaps even attaining a Maui license, the Dunhams could have assured the baby an identity without drawing attention to the relationship.
If Obama had, in fact, been born out of wedlock, or if his father had been someone other than Barack Sr., that would not have affected Obama's eligibility for higher office, but it would have surely de-glamorized him. "Barry Dunham" does not exactly tease the imagination.
Whatever his contribution, Obama Sr. lent young Barry a name, an identity, and a romantic storyline. Obama's mother and grandparents sustained this narrative throughout Obama's childhood.
Barack Obama repeated this story in his memoir Dreams from My Father, and to good effect. When Obama hooked up with campaign guru David Axelrod in his 2004 race for the U.S. Senate, his story crystallized into a marketing strategy. In the retelling, little Barry is always two years old when Barack Sr. reluctantly leaves wife and son for Harvard. This is a lie.
Guided by Axelrod, Obama held off in his breakthrough keynote speech at the 2004 Democratic convention for all of 46 words -- including "Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much" -- before sharing his story with the world.
At the 2008 Democratic Convention in Denver, Obama leaped into the story in the very first sentence. "Four years ago," he began, "I stood before you and told you my story -- of the brief union between a young man from Kenya and a young woman from Kansas who weren't well-off or well-known, but shared a belief that in America, their son could achieve whatever he put his mind to."
In between the two convention speeches, the story of Obama's birth was told more often than that of anyone's since Jesus. No one, of course, told it as convincingly as Obama himself, especially in his game-saving Philadelphia speech, immodestly titled "A More Perfect Union."
In this speech, delivered to negate the baleful impact of the Jeremiah Wright videos, Obama attributed his faith in the American people to his "own American story." He reminded those few registered voters who might somehow have forgotten that "I am the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas." Although the proto-hippie Ann spent her formative teen years in Seattle, the storyline always places her in Kansas.
Obama and his operatives would invest enormous political capital in what sympathetic biographer David Remnick calls his "signature appeal: the use of the details of his own life as a reflection of a kind of multicultural ideal." From the beginning, they worked hard to protect the investment and did what they had to do to keep the storytellers in line.
Abercrombie may not have gotten the memo. Although the president was likely born in the United States, he may not have been born in Hawaii, he may not have been born in August 1961, he may not have been the son of Barack Sr., or he may have simply been listed as "white" on his birth certificate.
The truth is that the storied little family never lived together. Any fact that blew the storyline could have derailed Obama's candidacy before it got going. Expect the Abercrombie fuss to just sort of fade away.
I don't believe that Michelle & Barry EVER believed that he'd become president. I believe that they were USING the presidential campaign process as a BOOK TOUR -- a way to go on an author's tour to all parts of America, and substantially increase the royalty payments for his books.
WHY should BHO have a clue as to what's on his ORIGINAL long form BC???
BHO is adopted - he has NO access to his original birth certificate, it is SEALED.
Remember how Michelle frequently talked about student loans when she was on the campaign trail?
I wonder how foreign exchange student BHO got student loans in the USA?
OR.... might this be something so simple and understandable as him wanting to hide that he'd been recruited by the CIA, and it was THEY who paid his way through school? Freeper Rummychick has fascinating details about Indonesia in the 60s/70s and there were LOTS of CIA shennanigans.
And freeper muawiyah has often remarked that Stanley Ann Dunham's life remarkably resembles any number of known CIA operatives.
I didn't get the idea Stanley Ann was a Lefty. Years later a friend of mine who'd been in Air Force Intelligence mentioned this really rugged looking gal he knew "overseas" who was named Stanley Ann ~ this was in the context of a discussion of the white lady anthropoligist studying Orangutangs ~ she'd married a Malay local.
In some things this is a very small world ~ girls named Stanley Ann are rare!
I didn't get the idea Stanley Ann was a Lefty. Years later a friend of mine who'd been in Air Force Intelligence mentioned this really rugged looking gal he knew "overseas" who was named Stanley Ann ~ this was in the context of a discussion of the white lady anthropoligist studying Orangutangs ~ she'd married a Malay local.
In some things this is a very small world ~ girls named Stanley Ann are rare!" <<<<<
LOL!!
Yeah, in some things this is a very small world --- afterall, one time .... years ago one morning when you opened your apartment door YOU saw Hillary Clinton in the apartment hallway, right?
Just HOW many other freepers could ever possibly have encountered BOTH Hillary C. and Stanley Ann?
It's a remarkable coincidence - small world, indeed!
If that’s the case, it totally makes Abercommie’s claim falling through the floor, and where and how does Obama Sr. enter the stage???
EMBARRASSMENT is apparently the key word. It was used in the court martial of Lt. Col. Lakin and in some other court cases???
Of course, Ann wasn’t stupid and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to put on a diaper but it backed up when she was supposed to have been enrolled in Seattle.
But we don’t know WHERE Barry was delivered, that’s the question???
He’s just an old troll aka “AFTER-BIRTHER.” See his about page, hmmm!!!
I took that to mean that Neil Abercrombie asserts that he was in Hawaii on the day that BHO claims as his birthdate.
However, I did not notice ANYTHING whatsoever that Governor Abercrombie stated about the location of Stanley Ann Dunham and/or her PRESUMED infant son.
Gal across the hall had worked for one of the Udall boys in Congress. She used to loan her apartment out on weekends. That's how Bill, Hil, and another woman ended up in that apartment, and I didn't just open the door. There was puke coming in under the door and there was that woman Bill married ~ Hillary ~ right there upchucking.
She didn't ever offer to clean it up.
From what I can find out, it went up sometime between Dec. 22nd and the 24th (the date of the article). A friend said there was a work crew by there on the 22nd but that he didn’t see the sign until today. We agreed, it was placed too far out of Austin proper to do much good. It was placed in GOP country rather than on the intersection of I35 and Dean Keeton at UT or down the street outside the parking garage at that big domed building. But, I see from the article that Lamar and the other Austin sign companies wouldn’t rent them sign space. Wonder who the owners are because Austin has more than it’s fair share of liquor and porn signage.
It was easier to clean up than the carpets.
I gather Stanley Ann was not a prissy type. She didn't look to be that way when I met her.
Who cleaned up the puke?
There are many dozens of threads about Stanley Ann's brand new baby and her confusion in the diapering thereof.
Not surprising but, that may be just for business purposes. They do know who their costumers are.
Funny how something like this causes such emotional stirs.
Obama's mother ALSO took classes at University of Washington where Ted Bundy also took classes. The Wiki entry has been rewritten so that you don't know they were both in the same sort of classes at the same time. She was a year older than me. Ted was two years younger than me. However, due to her "marriage' and "baby" she graduated a year later than me, so it's probable that she had Ted took some classes together ~ (NO, I didn't go to school with either ~ this is just timeline stuff).
It's quite clever how her biographers have glossed over her transition from Washington State to University of Hawaii ~ at some point she left WSU and ended up at UH, but no ones to tell us when anymore.
BTW, she ended up with a Doctorate in her specialty ~ which means, that except for guys, she was pretty bright ~ so she should have done all her undergraduate work within 2.5 to 3.0 years (pretty typical of people who end up with doctorates in anything but edumacation).
She should have been outta' Washington with a degree in 1965 at the latest, so there'd been no need for her to go to school in Hawaii.
There's definitely something wrong with her timeline as portrayed by Obama's syncophants. That tells me she was in class with Ted Bundy! Else, they wouldn't have smudged over the details.
Now, Ted was a Rockefeller Republican!@ He liked girls too, and looking at the ladies he murdered (30 to 100!) he wasn't picky. And you guys are looking at this Davis guy as her baby's baby-daddy like he was some sort of mean guy ~ you don't know mean ~ Ted was mean. Maybe Stanley Ann found a good darned reason to go to Hawaii.
I had to clean it up. I remember every detail. I hate that woman.
People who puke don’t have much ability at that time to clean it up. What makes you think that Stanley Ann had become “right wing”, because didn’t she divorce Lolo because he became reactionary?
You said it. Hey, just keepin' Austin weird.
Child abuse is common in a number of societies ~ teaching your kids to be sociopathic is quite common in Indonesia.
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