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Gays in the military report: Outrage muffled by media [more on the Obama BIG LIE campaign]
Law Enforcement Examiner ^ | Dec. 1, 2010 | Jim Kouri

Posted on 12/01/2010 4:45:25 AM PST by EternalVigilance

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However, while administrative and "political" military personnel favor repealing the ban on gays, between 40 and 60 percent of combat troops surveyed said gays openly serving in combat would be a bad idea. 58 percent of those in combat responding negatively were Marines.

Former Marine Corps Commandant General James Conway has made clear in multiple interviews with the media that he and most Marines are against it and thought that it would harm combat effectiveness and unit cohesion. At one point, Conway even suggested separate quarters for gay service members.

Responding to the survey results, Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., a Marine combat veteran, accused the Pentagon of creating a survey whose "criteria and lines of questioning" were created to "reach a predetermined outcome."

“If anything, the survey results make a compelling case for keeping current policy in place and avoiding any type of distraction for our nation’s military and its combat mission,” Hunter said. “When breaking down the specifics, more respondents answered unfavorably or remain uncertain about a policy change than those who favor repeal."

The defense secretary conceded that there are variances in the overall outcome of the survey when broken down to specific groups.

"Within the combat armed specialties and units, there is a higher level of discontent, of discomfort and resistance, to changing the current policy. Those findings and the potential implications for America's fighting forces remain a source of concern to the service chiefs and to me," Gates said.

"So Gates is admitting that the troops who are first to go into harm's way -- special forces units, Marines, etc. -- are the personnel uncomfortable with having openly gay soldiers, sailors and Marines serving in the U.S. military," said former U.S. Marine and police detective Sid Franes.

"But be certain the news media -- the Amen choir for liberal-left policies -- will not report on the large number of military personnel opposed to ending Don't Ask, Don't Tell. The idea is simple: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Anyone opposed to the gay agenda is subjected to Obama-mentor Saul Alinsky's political tactics," said Franes.

While [Alleged] President Barack Obama and his administration are calling for an end to the Bill Clinton-initiated "don't ask, don't tell" policy for gays and lesbians in the U.S. military, most Americans are being told only half the story.

Last month, several senior military leaders came forward to oppose repealing the ban on homosexuals serving in the military until a one-year study can be completed. This opposition contrasts significantly with Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Michael Mullen's expressed "personal belief" that the current policy should be overturned.

Marine Corps Commandant Conway expressed his fear as early as last May that the repeal effort will distract from the military's mission of protecting the nation. He explained, "My concern would be that somehow that central purpose or focus were to become secondary to the discussion."

Army Chief of Staff General George Casey agreed, saying, "I do have serious concerns about the impact of a repeal of the law on a force that is fully engaged in two wars." He added, "We just don't know the impacts on readiness and military effectiveness."

Meanwhile, Air Force Chief of Staff General Norton Schwartz argued that now is not the time to repeal. "This is not the time to perturb the force that is, at the moment, stretched by demands in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere without careful deliberation," he said.

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To: USS Alaska; wagglebee; EternalVigilance; Joe Boucher; originalbuckeye; VA Voter; Mygirlsmom; ...
We need to get this discussion going throughout the day because I am sure that Fox and Beck have staff reading for stories to cover.

Here's the real story on this survey. We have 1.5 Million Active Duty and another million reserve and guard. This survey was given the "widest dissemination". So the real inquiring and logical mind would ask, "Why did only 175,000 respond?" I have "a good friend" that said the majority would not respond to the survey because they were opposed to gays in the military but that, under the current administration, to express that on a survey would come back to haunt them. If you look at it from that perspective, the VAST "silent" majority of military members are opposed to gays in the military.
21 posted on 12/01/2010 5:25:32 AM PST by John.Galt2012 (I'll take Liberty and you can keep the "Change"!)
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To: USS Alaska

If military staff in positions to shine a light on trouble, as with the Fort Hood killer psychiatrist, refuse to open their mouths for career concerns, then PC has won the war against reality.

No wonder the dncmedia can report such lying statistics about the DADT polls. They obviously know where to go to get the “correct” answers to their “correct” questions.


22 posted on 12/01/2010 5:26:32 AM PST by maica
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To: John.Galt2012; Stayfrosty
THE REAL PENTAGON POLL: 91% OF SERVICE MEMBERS REJECT HOMOSEXUAL LEADERS - 1 IN 4 WOULD QUIT
23 posted on 12/01/2010 5:27:35 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The care of human life...is the first and only legitimate object of good government -- Jefferson)
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To: Sursam Abordine
Was one of the questions on the "survey" about base housing? How will dependents and sailors alike feel when full spousal benefits are granted to same-sex partners? (life insurance, housing, pay, etc) Or, is this just another route to recognition of gay "marriage?"
24 posted on 12/01/2010 5:27:50 AM PST by Sursam Abordine
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To: EternalVigilance; 185JHP; AFA-Michigan; Abathar; Agitate; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; Antoninus; ...
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25 posted on 12/01/2010 5:28:24 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: John.Galt2012; wagglebee; EternalVigilance; Joe Boucher; originalbuckeye; VA Voter; Mygirlsmom; ...

Oh yea, I almost forgot... “this post is my opinion and not that of the US government or military.”


26 posted on 12/01/2010 5:29:27 AM PST by John.Galt2012 (I'll take Liberty and you can keep the "Change"!)
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To: EternalVigilance

I don’t think the CIC has the gay lobby at heart with this plan. It is the only pro-gay legislation that I recall him backing. Therefore he is doing this to bring down the military in any way he can, along with defunding, using budget cuts as an excuse while our enemies get stronger.


27 posted on 12/01/2010 5:42:28 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: John.Galt2012

“When we assumed the Soldier, we did not lay aside the Citizen.”

— George Washington


28 posted on 12/01/2010 5:53:13 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The care of human life...is the first and only legitimate object of good government -- Jefferson)
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To: EternalVigilance

Ping for later.


29 posted on 12/01/2010 5:55:05 AM PST by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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Bump!


30 posted on 12/01/2010 5:57:41 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: originalbuckeye
The Leftists haven't thought this whole thing through.

On the contrary, the "ruling class" leftists HAVE thought this through. Remember, their goals are not what they state, much less are they the same goals for "good" that you would have. They seek to destroy the military, or "better" yet, corrupt it for their own use. No better way than requiring acceptance of gays in the military.

Now, for the sheeperals - they just want to feel good about themselves as in "I'm a good person". They're being sold the idea that this is about equality and not "being mean". They don't, and don't want to, think any deeper than that.

31 posted on 12/01/2010 5:59:54 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: John.Galt2012

Since you’ve posted that more than once,
I’d have to conjecture that you’re posting from a government computer and are “required” to do that in order to CYA.


32 posted on 12/01/2010 6:03:11 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: EternalVigilance

The enlistment numbers will fall.
The re-enlistment rate will fall.

Eventually the numbers will be significant enough to force a reinstatement of the military draft.

When the draft is re-instated this time, both males and females will be drafted (to be fair, they will say).

Christian girls and their parents who sincerely believe in the Biblical role for women, live and practice it in their homes and in their child training (as millions still do around the country), had better begin preparing your conscientious objection defense for the courts.


33 posted on 12/01/2010 6:14:05 AM PST by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: EternalVigilance

LOL!


34 posted on 12/01/2010 6:23:51 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (If not for the double standard, liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: EternalVigilance

They should put all the queers in the same unit and send them to the area where the fiercest fighting is;repeat the process until no one is standing.


35 posted on 12/01/2010 6:31:43 AM PST by thethirddegree
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To: EternalVigilance
Clearly, the statist’s goal is to destroy our current military. Right now, majority of men and women in the military take an oath to uphold the Constitution, i.e. tend to vote for Republicans.

After they have been pushed out, the statist’s ideal people will replace them. Voila! You have an army to serve dictators, not the people. It's just another step to take the U.S. down.

36 posted on 12/01/2010 6:35:39 AM PST by Isara
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To: VA Voter

My guess is a higher KIA rate due to “friendly fire incidents”, or a return to the Viet Nam practice of “fragging”.......red


37 posted on 12/01/2010 6:47:04 AM PST by rednek ("Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.")
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To: originalbuckeye
Separate quarters and showers would be a necessity. Would the Leftists ever consider housing men and women in the same room??? Let alone require them to have communal showers???

every time I bring this up I'm called a bigot and a retard and told that "no self respecting gay would want my disgusting body". of course this is on the internet, so nobody knows what I look like. . .
38 posted on 12/01/2010 6:47:56 AM PST by stompk
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To: Joe Boucher

as a vet and still know many who are still serving then this survey is pure crap.
It just so happens that the so called survey comes out now and bozo the clown is saying he wants to repeal this within the weeks before the GOP takes the house.

infact get rid of don’t ask and just ban these mentally sick people


39 posted on 12/01/2010 7:09:00 AM PST by manc (Homosexuality is a mental disorder as is liberalism. FOX and the media are pushing the queer agenda)
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To: EternalVigilance

do we have co-ed showers and rooms? NO
WHY?
Because some will not feel comfortable , now why should this not apply to queers?


40 posted on 12/01/2010 7:10:09 AM PST by manc (Homosexuality is a mental disorder as is liberalism. FOX and the media are pushing the queer agenda)
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