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China downgrades US credit rating
http://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?post=171700 ^ | Nov. 9, 2010 10:08am | Tuneman

Posted on 11/09/2010 9:04:47 AM PST by The Comedian

Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:08:03 AM (CH) Chinese rating agency Dagong Global Credit downgrades US credit rating due to QE program (update) - Chinese press - Cut long term US sovereign rating one notch to A+ from AA, with a negative outlook. - "The serious defects in the U.S. economy will lead to long-term recession and fundamentally lower the national solvency. The credit crisis is far from over in the United States and the U.S. economy will be in a long-term recession." Weaker dollar will hurt US ability to attract dollar capital reflow. "In essence, the U.S. government's move to devalue the dollar indicates its solvency is on the brink of collapse"

- NOTE: Dagong cut the US sovereign rating from AAA in July 2010.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: china; chinese; credit; creditrating; debt; dollar; economy; qe2; recession; solvency
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Tipping point?


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

1 posted on 11/09/2010 9:04:49 AM PST by The Comedian
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To: VanDeKoik

Yes we most certainly are. Unless we get rid of Obama and Biden is a pliable new President, then I am sure that we’ll end up officially a Third World nation.


3 posted on 11/09/2010 9:07:37 AM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: The Comedian

But I thought Glenn Beck was “depressing and nuts and a fear monger”? He only keeps beating this into our heads on every single show.

Just great.


4 posted on 11/09/2010 9:08:03 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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To: The Comedian

Here we go...


5 posted on 11/09/2010 9:08:03 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: The Comedian

Is the US itself now considered “too big to fail”? And if so, to whom (or what) does the US look for “assistance”?


6 posted on 11/09/2010 9:08:19 AM PST by Logic n' Reason (You can roll a turd in powered sugar; that don't make it a jelly donut)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Apparently not since Mod’s moved this to “Bloggers”


7 posted on 11/09/2010 9:08:49 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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To: The Comedian

I don’t blame China one bit. They are trying to send us a strict message. I don’t know if this is a tipping point, but it sure is a warning.


8 posted on 11/09/2010 9:08:49 AM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: Quix; B4Ranch; houeto; null and void; Whenifhow; Silentgypsy; blam; FromLori
Economic Holocaust ping.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

9 posted on 11/09/2010 9:09:00 AM PST by The Comedian (I really missed you. Next time, I'll adjust for windage.)
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To: Logic n' Reason

Actually if this country starts to falter, then we had better but our boots on and get to work on being self sufficient.


10 posted on 11/09/2010 9:09:35 AM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: The Comedian

Our government / Fed is trying to play financial poker and bluff a player holding four aces.


11 posted on 11/09/2010 9:10:08 AM PST by OB1kNOb (I glory in the afterglow of watching a defeated Blanche Lincoln cry during her concession speech.)
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To: The Comedian

And so it begins...


12 posted on 11/09/2010 9:10:20 AM PST by maddog55 (OBAMA, You can't fix stupid...)
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To: The Comedian

US debt should get to junk status soon


13 posted on 11/09/2010 9:11:53 AM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: The Comedian

The dominoes are starting to fall?


14 posted on 11/09/2010 9:13:22 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Admin Moderator
This does NOT belong in "Bloggers", geez.

Here's another link to the information through a different source:

http://www.businessinsider.com/dagong-downgrades-us-credit-rating-2010-11


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

15 posted on 11/09/2010 9:14:19 AM PST by The Comedian (I really missed you. Next time, I'll adjust for windage.)
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To: Logic n' Reason; The Comedian

at this rate we won’t be able to borrow anything from foreign countries. That means we will keep “easing”, which means hyperinflation.

We need massive spending cuts, we need to end some entitlements.

Like ending free cellphones and the Presidents plan for broadband internet for the poor. Seriously, we need to cut down on welfare, we need tougher standards on who qualifies and we need fewer welfare programs too. End all corporate welfare and agricultural subsidies. ADM will hate me.

Then we can start looking at other things.


16 posted on 11/09/2010 9:16:20 AM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
I don’t blame China one bit. They are trying to send us a strict message.

I miss the Cold War years.

Back then, WE were the ones that, correctly, pointed out to the ChiComs that THEIR economic policies were doomed to catastrophic failure.

17 posted on 11/09/2010 9:16:59 AM PST by Polybius
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To: The Comedian
Dagong is a tool of the ChiComs, and isn't a credible or objective rater. Not that S&P and Moody's are so great - needless to say they're not - but Dagong is little more than a branch of party propaganda. On September 27, the SEC denied Dagong’s request to be recognized as an independent credit rating agency, so this move is likely the ChiCom idea of payback.

From the WSJ:

“Needless to say, the markets don’t find this credible. Bond yields haven’t done anything. As the Journal’s Joy Shaw reported, Dagong was little-known before it surprised the credit-rating world in July by publishing sovereign ratings for China that were higher than those for the U.S., the U.K., Japan and other major economies. The results differed from those issued by major credit-rating firms.”

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2010/11/09/chinese-credit-rater-downgrades-us/

The other laughable part of this is that since the FED is buying up US Treasuries it doesn't matter what the risk is, the FED will be buying even if US bonds are rated junk. And we're headed there.

18 posted on 11/09/2010 9:19:56 AM PST by mojito
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To: The Comedian

The Chinese recognized what you and I were talking about a year ago. As the downhill slide continues Americans cheer on their favorite team.


19 posted on 11/09/2010 9:23:40 AM PST by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: Logic n' Reason

” Is the US itself now considered “too big to fail”? And if so, to whom (or what) does the US look for “assistance”? “

It occurs to me that the historical ‘model’ we might need to be looking at is not so much “Weimar and Zimbabwe”, but rather the collapse of the Soviet Union....

Ignoring, for the moment, the “Communists=Evil” aspect, here is a Nation that had dug itself into such an economic hole that not only its Government fell, but its *form* of Government was discredited and abandoned...

And, even then, the only thing that saved them from utter chaos was the massive infusion of American aid and Capital - the price of our help being the formation of a nominally ‘democratic’ form of government... (And, I tend to believe, even with all that, it was a close-run thing...)

Who, out there, might be willing -and able - to drag the US up from the ashes - and what price will they demand in return??

/end idle musings....


20 posted on 11/09/2010 9:29:57 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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