One more thing, ma'am...
Posted on 10/16/2010 5:27:24 PM PDT by Reeses
After the murder and decapitation of one of their own, Mexican investigators are calling off the search for David Hartley's body, temporarily at least.
So, is it case closed? Is STRATFOR's theory -- that Hartley was gunned down by Zeta thugs who believed he was a scout for the rival Gulf Cartel -- correct?
Perhaps. But we are still in befuddlement at some the statements Tiffany Young-Hartley has given the media over the past two weeks, as well as some other elements of the case. First, there's that whole magic bullet thing, where she claims to have seen her husband lifted over the handlebars of his speeding jet-ski by the kill-shot that ripped through his head, a scenario that would appear to violate some basic laws of physics.
And then there are five more strange ones To wit:
1.Her Christ-like empathy toward her doubters.
"I have to put myself in their view that I can understand why they would think that, but...it is true and he is over there and I know I know the pirates or whoever did this have him."
If you saw your spouse killed and the authorities openly doubted your account, would you be able to find the compassion inside yourself to empathize with your doubters?
2. Young-Hartley also seems to believe God himself helped her craft an alibi:
"We have points of being pulled over and being at Subway with the border patrol seeing us there. It just, you know, shows my story that, yeah, David and I were there together, we were at the boat launch together, you know, we had got stopped and Subway and that, you know, everything happened exactly the way I've been telling you guys.
"Me being a Christian and believing in God, I believe he lined all that up; he lined up the traffic stop, he lined up us going to Subway and having the Border Patrol there so my story would be supported by events that happened," she said.
(Did He also line up Hartley's face in the pirate's gunsights?)
It's interesting how closely Tiffany's account mirrors that of "the Good Samaritan," the completely anonymous sole eyewitness to these events. Masked and with his voice disguised, the Good Samaritan had this to say to TV station KRGV: "He believes he was meant to be at Falcon Lake that day. He believes God put him there to help Hartley. He was at the right place at the right time."
3. Three's the matter of the lie detector.
After telling CNN "If that's what the authorities think I need to do, then that might be an option," she has done an about-face and claimed that there is no need.
4. The strange 911 call.
Dr Lillian Glass is a body-language expert. During a conversation with Hair Balls yesterday, she put us on call-waiting so she could firm up a training session with the Los Angeles Police Department -- she says she helps train their detectives on ferreting out deception.
One of the many, many things that has alarmed her about Young-Hartley's demeanor and statements over the past couple of weeks was the very first word she uttered when she called 911. Namely, she said "Hello." In her view, that is not the action of a truly frantic person. She says that people who are genuinely terrified or distraught simply launch right into the reason they dialed 911 -- they don't take the time to exchange pleasantries or salutations.
5. The Hartleys financial situation.
On March 7, Tiffany Young-Hartley posted on her Facebook page that she and David had driven from Reynosa to San Antonio to hear debt counselor / financial advisor Dave Ramsey speak. "Even better in person then on the radio," she wrote. "If you get a chance to see him live 'GO'. He has helped so many people get out of debt and stay on a budget that works. Luckily we are ahead of the game, but now were on track for our future."
Apparently that future arrived fast, because on April 23, she reported that she and her husband were about to take a Carnival cruise to Jamaica, Grand Cayman and Cozumel.
In early June, she was buying an entire houseful of furniture for their new digs in McAllen, where the couple had just been sent by David's employer CalFrac Well Services. The cartel violence in their former home of Reynosa had risen to unacceptable levels, it was later explained.
At any rate, Young-Hartley and David did not enjoy the nesting process: "This is a long process and doesn't help that David and I don't have the same taste," she wrote. "So agreeing on anything is almost impossible. I think were each going to take a room and decorate it ourselves. Furnishing a whole house is no fun....."
A couple of weeks later, the fateful Jet-Skis make their first appearance:
"Got to enjoy the Jet Skies this morning then Davids skie broke, so our trip was cut short" And Young-Hartley also wrote that she hoped their stay in McAllen would last longer than seven months.
Just a few days before their disastrous trip to Falcon Lake, Young-Hartley gushed about her wonderful husband and their recent trip to Key West, a jaunt which included a diving expedition.
And at some point during that time, it was decided that Hartley's services in South Texas were no longer required. He would be getting some sort of transfer back to Colorado, where both of them were from. It was very vague, and Tiffany said that the two of them would likely be living in a hotel until the kinks were worked out.
So, in the six or seven months after driving about 500 miles round-trip to attend a session of Financial Peace University, the couple furnished a home, took two pretty fantastic vacations, bought two Jet-Skis, and planned a cross-country move and extended hotel stay, all as the husband lost his oil field job.
It waslike someone posting "Went to my first AA meeting" as their status and following it up days later with beer-pong pictures.
Did they simply disregard Ramsey's advice on "living on less than you make," or did they get a sudden influx of cash? And if so, where did that cash come from?
One more thing, ma'am...
How about our state department;s inability to push for answers?
/johnny
I don’t watch any TV. She’s claimed he was shot in the back of the head, front of the head, and most recently in the neck. She can’t keep her story straight. She’s hot though.
Oh boy....I’m taking a risk here.
Because I got involved in a thread about this crime about a week and a half ago, close to when it all hit the fan.
The thread ended up being a bashfest because, er, well sometimes Freepers get lockstep about something and tend to veer far away from reason.
Still, I consider myself a True Crime afficiando, not necessarily all that good at it but I’d say I’m one who’s read a lot about the crimes humans do to one another.
Right from the start I thought this story was just too bizarre.
Now I must say, since that Freep thread that ended with screaming as I’m sure this one will too, there’s been some new facts on this crime. The bit about the Mexican guy’s head being delivered back to police headquarters is kind of weird. Although I am to understand that this event had nothing to do with the strange Hartly story.
I know about the “eyewitness”, and the traffic stop.
Still....I think this case...well somebody’s lying and somebody’s lying BIG.
Two things, for now, cause me to keep right on doubting. First, WHY DOESN’T SHE TAKE THE LIE DETECTOR TEST?
Right there I gotta smirk.
Second, the Hartleys lived in Mexico the past two years? Why? I mean, Hartley...if I’ve spelled it right, is not a Mexican name and they don’t look Mexican.
I’m beginning to think that if there were any Mexican drug cartel involvement that the Hartleys were part of it. Now this post and even more details make me wonder about their sudden influx of money.
Because this lake has been a noticable problem down here for a couple of years.
Play, or leave it to the Texas Rangers. They do crime scenes well.
I don't expect to have to put you up down here. I figure in front of the TV is too comfortable.
/johnny
There’s a plethora of Freepers that are so angry at illegal immigration and the looming problems with the Mexican drug cartels that they consider you the devil if you don’t believe this young woman’s story.
You wait....they’ll be around.
They’re heeeeeere.....
See post 7.
Because her lawyer says she shouldn't.
I don't care if I was in church when a bank was robbed, if I got accused, I'm lawyering up, and the lawyer says "no comment".
You aren't from Texas, are you?
Co-operating with police is stupid. Really stupid if you are guilty, more so, if you are innocent.
Wake up, turn off the TV, and smell some reality.
/johnny
Hubby is alive and well- probably somewhere in Mexico. This is an insurance scam. The couple had no idea it would get this big. They thought the local cops would declare hubby dead, they’d collect big money and retire- until they blew the money, of course. It’s gone big time, and now they’re stuck.
Lie detectors are likely lying themselves
It turns out that polygraphy is not only an incredibly inexact science, but that reading the results of a lie detector is almost entirely subjective. In short, lie detectors don't work. But people's lives have been ruined by them.
The problem isn't that the machines don't record something—they do: heart rate, respiration, sweat-gland activity, and so on. But what the changes in those numbers mean is entirely up to interpretation.
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An American Medical Association expert testified before Congress that "the [lie detector] cannot detect lies much better than a coin toss." Further, an article published in the Journal of the American Medical Association by the AMA's Council on Scientific Affairs said in part, "Though the polygraph can recognize guilty suspects with an accuracy that is better than chance, error rates of significant size are possible." Ouch.
A 1997 survey by the American Psychological Association found that psychologists feel that "The use of the polygraph (lie detector test) is not nearly as valid as some say and can easily be beaten and should never be admitted into evidence in courts of law." Eek.
And the chief investigator’s head is returned in a suitcase. I suppose she was responsible for that too. /s
Spot on.
Some people in the far north-east not only watch TV, they believe it.
/johnny
They may have gone to pick up a drug shipment, or it could have been a love triangle murder, or maybe he’s alive and they’re trying to run a lame insurance scam. She was sniffing her nose in one of her interviews like she did a line of coke. She should be asked to take a lie detector test and a drug test.
As usual, follow the money...
I am afraid that you’re right. TV is the great educator. Except that it’s all fake.
I don’t know which Freepers you are referring to, but I am among the most vocal when it comes to illegal immigration/amnesty and I’m here to tell ya that it’s my opinion that for whatever reason, this story just doesn’t add up. I am in no way blaming the victims, I just believe there is much more to it than we know.
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