Oh boy....I’m taking a risk here.
Because I got involved in a thread about this crime about a week and a half ago, close to when it all hit the fan.
The thread ended up being a bashfest because, er, well sometimes Freepers get lockstep about something and tend to veer far away from reason.
Still, I consider myself a True Crime afficiando, not necessarily all that good at it but I’d say I’m one who’s read a lot about the crimes humans do to one another.
Right from the start I thought this story was just too bizarre.
Now I must say, since that Freep thread that ended with screaming as I’m sure this one will too, there’s been some new facts on this crime. The bit about the Mexican guy’s head being delivered back to police headquarters is kind of weird. Although I am to understand that this event had nothing to do with the strange Hartly story.
I know about the “eyewitness”, and the traffic stop.
Still....I think this case...well somebody’s lying and somebody’s lying BIG.
Two things, for now, cause me to keep right on doubting. First, WHY DOESN’T SHE TAKE THE LIE DETECTOR TEST?
Right there I gotta smirk.
Second, the Hartleys lived in Mexico the past two years? Why? I mean, Hartley...if I’ve spelled it right, is not a Mexican name and they don’t look Mexican.
I’m beginning to think that if there were any Mexican drug cartel involvement that the Hartleys were part of it. Now this post and even more details make me wonder about their sudden influx of money.
Because her lawyer says she shouldn't.
I don't care if I was in church when a bank was robbed, if I got accused, I'm lawyering up, and the lawyer says "no comment".
You aren't from Texas, are you?
Co-operating with police is stupid. Really stupid if you are guilty, more so, if you are innocent.
Wake up, turn off the TV, and smell some reality.
/johnny
Lie detectors are likely lying themselves
It turns out that polygraphy is not only an incredibly inexact science, but that reading the results of a lie detector is almost entirely subjective. In short, lie detectors don't work. But people's lives have been ruined by them.
The problem isn't that the machines don't record something—they do: heart rate, respiration, sweat-gland activity, and so on. But what the changes in those numbers mean is entirely up to interpretation.
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An American Medical Association expert testified before Congress that "the [lie detector] cannot detect lies much better than a coin toss." Further, an article published in the Journal of the American Medical Association by the AMA's Council on Scientific Affairs said in part, "Though the polygraph can recognize guilty suspects with an accuracy that is better than chance, error rates of significant size are possible." Ouch.
A 1997 survey by the American Psychological Association found that psychologists feel that "The use of the polygraph (lie detector test) is not nearly as valid as some say and can easily be beaten and should never be admitted into evidence in courts of law." Eek.
They may have gone to pick up a drug shipment, or it could have been a love triangle murder, or maybe he’s alive and they’re trying to run a lame insurance scam. She was sniffing her nose in one of her interviews like she did a line of coke. She should be asked to take a lie detector test and a drug test.