Posted on 09/09/2010 3:06:16 PM PDT by Islaminaction
I can understand people not agreeing with the upcoming “Burn a Koran Day”. But the whole thing has really been blown out of proportion, and people need to stop acting like this is some world crisis. Two of the most recognized people who have spoken out against this day are General Petraeus, and Hillary Clinton. What I want to know is where was their outrage when the US Army burned Bibles?
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It was a winged horse named "Buraq"...
I have always thought that it was Saudi money behind the hysteria that insists on no drilling for our own oil and no new refineries.
Now they have all of our gold and use it to export the rage and hate called islam.
They have to destroy the west because otherwise, like East and West Berlin, it is the constant juxtaposition of competence and improvement for mankind with a primitive, evil and very backward culture that stifles all intellectual curiosity.
They only luv the military when it surrenders
Could have been a winged dog too!
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How about burning books that leftists like?
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What I’d like to know is why the media always calls it the “Holy” Qu’ran but whenever they talk about the Holy Bible it’s just the Bible.
A great study in Greek is the word PISTIS/PISTEO.
Same word is translated faith in some passages, and others as belief.
Faith/PISTIS is used in three senses in Scripture.
1) as an adjective describing the object of one’s belief which is veritable.
2) A reliance upon another as an object of thinking
3) A doctrine or expression of thinking with the object upon another.
Faith in Christ is made effectual for salvation in part because it’s object of thinking is not upon ourselves, but is non-meritorious, placed upon Christ who is both God and man. God the Holy Spirit then is able to take that faith and by efficacious grace make it effectual for salvation.
Additionally, faith is also provided from God to man in thought, upon which the human soul, may contemplate the thought and either with volition accept the faith or reject it.
Once it is even briefly accepted, the human spirit is then regenerated by God the Father, providing a temple for the indwelling of God the Holy Spirit, who upon His volition (i.e. His Sovereignty) indwells the believer in this Church Age.
The human spirit is discernible from the human soul and has a system of perception, which without the human spirit, human soul is not able to perceive spiritual things.
All the work in salvation has been provided by God, and all that is required by the unbeliever is to accept the faith He also provides.
Some denominations touch upon collateral issues such as during our continuing sanctification, when we are in fellowship with God, He is then able to continue His work in us by our spirit and his work which is faith in us. We begin with a small portion that is veritable, and slowly build our vocabulary and linguistics in true faith provided by God Holy Spirit, who is essentially rehabilitating our soul via the spirit. All of that in us is His work.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
Wars are messy affairs and events sometimes spin out of control. Afghanistan-Iraq has been a long war. It’s amazing that the anti-Islamic impulse has been restrained this long.
Basically we have a militia taking a public relations potshot at the real enemy — Saudi inspired radical Islam. I have no problem with it. Petreaus & Clinton are wetting their pants over it. Shows weakness of the status quo position on this war.
“What I want to know is where was their outrage when the US Army burned Bibles?”
They had none.
They have two standards - one for MOHAMMADANS and one for “unbelievers” - which is what ISLAM is all about!!!!
Also directly related to above: FR post #85
An Example here
Whilst I think the above idea has some merits & is in "good faith", I would also suggest the following (for the future):
1. The Koran is Perceived, by over a billion muslims, as a "Holy Book", dictated by Allah - IOW, a book that can Not be questioned by humans. This is Not your average Mein Kampf or some other "human created" e.g. Marxist, Communist, Socialist ideology/book. Perceptions & the source are everything, in this case, by the Main audience (Muslims).
2. The Quran is written in Arabic, which excludes many non-arabic speaking (Muslim) nations from "reading it" in its original language. A translation most often is not accurate & often does not carry the actual *meaning* of what is written in the Koran.
3. It is a matter of Faith. Most *average* muslims, in many muslim countries, are not sufficiently educated, nor have access to "other books" & often are even illiterate. These "simpletons" often rely on the interpretation of the Koran & direction given by their prominent Muslim figures/clerics.
4. The Koran, often, is rather vague, therefore open to "interpretation" - that "interpretation" is often put forward by Muslim clerics (shia or sunni), who could & would distort any thing written in the Koran, which may *actually* render it violent or not, depending on circumstances or a given (perhaps global) situation.
Anyway, if we are talking about reading books & the Koran in particular, then we, in the first place, would have to look at overhauling the education system in the Muslim world.
Again, these are only views & thoughts to raise awareness all around, and for the future.
Interesting.
The Iranians are not Arabic and Islam was imposed o Iran by Arabic conquerors years ago. I also suspect there is an undercurrent of support in Iran for their great monotheistic religion, Zoroastrianism, which has been marginalized by Islam.
If a genuine moderate Islamic movement arises anywhere, it will probably in Iran, and should of course, be supported.
But in dealing with Islam, one must be VERY careful with the term “moderate” which may simply relate to the method of choice in overturning the west.
While the thrust of the Koran in general can be vague as can be certain passages, there are other passages, particularly those referring to unbelievers, Christians and Jews, which are VERY clear in their overt and uncompromising hostility.
We must never allow the Muslim to feel that we feel THEIR sacred texts, customs, etc, are in any way superior to ours or to be favored over ours.
What they choose to do in their own countries is beyond our ability to significantly influence, aside from militarily. But when they invade the west, lines of behavior must be clearly drawn in the sand in dealing with them and one of them is their damn Koran is no more entitled to respect than any other document in the west. It stands on its own merits, is condemned on its own merits, and is subject to the same rules of treatment we extend to all other documents.
I really don;t give a rat’s ass about their feelings in this regard and neither should nay other non-Muslim.
ONCE WE DO SO, we are INVITING them to come here and use the same tactics to IMPOSE their belief system on us, with separate Sharia Courts, Public disruption of activities by their damn minarets, demands for burqua clad women in public, etc. which are they trying in parts of Europe.
At this point, they are not yet capable of militarily challenging the west, and so are using these other pressure tactics.
But as soon as nuclear weaponry becomes established in Islamdom, as it will due to the criminal negligence of Obama and other western leaders, they will resort to more overt military tactics.
Never before has western and eastern civilization been so threatened by such a dangerous and hateful ideology as contemporary Islam.
>>>”But in dealing with Islam, one must be VERY careful with the term “moderate” which may simply relate to the method of choice in overturning the west.”
Too right.
Just to correct some false info on some threads on FR & elsewhere, I’ve to say:
There is a Zoroastrian community, mainly that of Parsi community in India, who initially fled to India soon after 7th century muslim-arab invasion of Iran. Then again, many “Zs” fled to India, from Iran, between 17th thru to late 19th century because of heightened persecution in Shia Muslim Iran, by Iranian muslim converts. Many “Zs” later, returned to Iran during the Pahlavi dynasty starting mid 20th century until the last Pahlavi King was ousted in January 1979. Although, many other Zoroastrians had remained in Iran since the 7th century (mostly are outwardly subdued by Muslim teachings over the centuries).
There are Zoroastrians (Parsi community in particular) who can be called “orthodox” Zoroastrians, predominantly because they do not believe in conversion to Zoroastrianism. Well, there is a very good historical reason for that stance. That stance has been changed (with significant Caution) in recent decades by most Zoroastrian communities around the world. IRI & other muslim groups often try to inflitrated these communities & cause havoc, for example.
Conversion by muslim born Iranians, specifically, is not a good subject to publicly discuss, as converts from Islam to another religion are seen as apostates & are subject to persecution if found out.
However, there are no moderate or radical Zoroastrians, never was. Obviously, this isn’t about Zoroastrians of Iran.
Actually in Isam in the ME and traditionally, there is also, only Islam & followers of Islam, that is Muslims. Not moderate or radical, etc.. Islam or muslims.
>>>”While the thrust of the Koran in general can be vague as can be certain passages, there are other passages, particularly those referring to unbelievers, Christians and Jews, which are VERY clear in their overt and uncompromising hostility.”
Agreed. My point was that most average muslims are not that educated, are faith-driven, and the drivers are often their clerics who can interpret any thing any way they want. But, yeah, basically, Islam for their believers is based on the Koran & the traditions (Sunnah) of its messenger Mohammad.
Agree w/the rest of your post. I also think *contemporary* nations, if they remain sufficiently objective, can learn from history of Islam, it ideology, indoctrination & actions, particularly in relation to Iran starting in the 7th century.
So what?
A virus indeed, one that needs to be eradicated from the planet.
to inflitrated = to infiltrate
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