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Why Pelosi Signed Two Certificates of Nomination
Sept 8, 2010 | Butterdezillion

Posted on 09/08/2010 7:21:00 PM PDT by butterdezillion

Nancy Pelosi signed one certificate of nomination which was sent to 49 states and another - saying that Obama is Constitutionally eligible - to Hawaii. People have asked why she didn't send the eligibility-certifying one to all the states, but the more pressing question is, "Why did the Hawaii Democratic Party refuse to certify Obama's eligibility?"

This is on my blog but I'll post the whole thing in the first response and the link to the blog post in the 2nd response so the links will be (hopefully) clickable.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; democraticparty; eligibility; fraud; hawaii; naturalborncitizen; obama; pelosi; usurper
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To: butterdezillion

Bump....will have to read later. One thing I KNOW is that you’ve got a lot of blood, sweat and tears involved in your research. (Hope the SP’s don’t show up.)


21 posted on 09/08/2010 7:48:15 PM PDT by azishot (I can see November from my house!)
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To: presently no screen name

I’ve been in contact with Lakin’s defense regarding some of my other findinds, via G Gordon Liddy. I think the Lakin team just about has to have another attorney look at the information, screen it for its potential value, and recommend only what has much legal value.

So if there is an attorney who would be willing to look at this and evaluate whether the evidence is compelling and the argument pertinent, that would be great. If it seems worth Lakin’s counsel spending time on, an attorney recommending it would probably be the best way to get the information to Lakin - like Liddy was willing to recommend some of my other evidence.


22 posted on 09/08/2010 7:49:07 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

Do you realize what peril you have now placed Gilardy in? These are not just politicians lying to the public, these are power lusting dead-souls who may already have murdered persons who can endanger the supposed legitimacy of the bastard boy soiling the people’s Oval Office! If Gilardy would not sign off on illegitimacy before the election, how can he be allowed to continue to breath if he could reveal criminality of the bastard-in-chief? The thigocracy will not tolerate loose ends, even if it is butterdezillion who uncovers them. Phil Berg may be about to yank the rug right from under the sonofabitch in the White Hut. God protect Gilardy and Berg and all associated to them.


23 posted on 09/08/2010 7:55:39 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Mormons, believing they cannot be deceived; nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: butterdezillion

The question about UhBama’s Constitutional qualification to hold office for me focuses on the “natural born” aspect. Apart from his sliding popularity, if a single state manages to pass an election law that requires affirmative proof that candidates are fully qualified for the offices they are running for, then this issue will come to a head before the 2012 primary season. And if UhBama’s legal team cannot intimidate those states into giving him a pass, then he will find a graceful way to decline to run for a second term.

While UhBama will only be with us for the remainder of his sole term in office, what concerns me even more about this issue is the distinct unwillingness of the federal judiciary to allow any legal case that touches on the issue to proceed to discovery. We will have these weak milk-toast federal judges with us for the remainder of their life terms.

As far as I am concerned, every time a judge finds a flimsy excuse to dismiss these cases, justice and the Constitution itself has just suffered a grave insult.


24 posted on 09/08/2010 8:03:23 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: smokingfrog

Why Pelosi and Germond Signed a Different Certificate of Nomination for Hawaii

Canada Free Press broke a story showing that Nancy Pelosi and Alice Travers Germond , as representatives of the Democratic National Committee, had signed one Certificate of Nomination for Obama and Biden that was sent to 49 states, and another that was sent only to Hawaii. Only the certificate sent to Hawaii included a statement that Obama and Biden were Constitutionally qualified to serve as President and Vice-President.

That certificate of nomination for Hawaii is the ONLY statement in this nation signed by somebody besides Obama which claims that Obama is Constitutionally eligible to be President. Contrary to arguments that Congress certified Obama’s eligibility when they certified the results of the electoral vote, neither representatives of Congress nor any Secretary of State has signed a legal document saying that Obama is eligible. This one oath by Pelosi and Germond is the only legal claim that Obama’s eligibility was verified.

And there is a huge story about how this particular certificate came to be, which the House Ethics Committee, every state Attorney General, and the public at large need to know.

First off, they need to know that the Hawaii Department of Health has confirmed that neither Pelosi nor Germond, nor any leader of either the Democratic National Committee or the Hawaii Democratic Party, has ever even asked to see Obama’s birth certificate. So Pelosi and Germond did not sign this document because they saw a certified copy from the HDOH office. And in fact, if they had seen anything from the HDOH office they would have known his Hawaii birth certificate has been amended and has no legal value.

It’s been removed from the web, but shortly after CFP published their original article about the Certificates of Nomination, somebody claiming to represent the DNC stated on a discussion board that the DNC relies on the state parties to verify Constitutional eligibility for candidates, so the oath by Pelosi and Germond would just confirm that the state democratic parties had confirmed the Constitutional eligibility of the candidates.

But this is where the argument totally falls apart, because the Hawaii Democratic Party actually ignored their protocols in 2008 in order to specifically NOT certify Obama’s eligibility as they had done for candidates in the past. IOW, if Pelosi based her decision to certify on whether the state party would confirm eligibility, then she had a duty to NOT certify Obama’s eligibility, because the democratic party of the state supposedly holding Obama’s birth certificate REFUSED TO CERTIFY Obama’s eligibility.

I requested and received from the Hawaii Dept of Elections the certificates of nomination from both the DNC and Hawaii Democratic Party (HDP). I was told their records only go as far back as 2000. In 2000 and 2004 the HDP waited until about a month after the National Convention and then signed and hand-delivered to the Hawaii Elections Office their certification that the candidates 1) were chosen by both the state and national parties and 2) were Constitutionally eligible to be President and VP. That was the HDP’s standard procedure, fulfilling both of Hawaii’s 2 requirements for placement on the ballot. (I will upload those documents as soon as I can get my husband to scan them.)

In 2008 the HDP signed their certification – with the Constitutional eligibility language removed – at the National Convention, on the day BEFORE Pelosi and Germond signed the DNC certificate. They then apparently gave their HDP certificate to DNC Attorney Joseph Sandler, who then had a special certificate created and signed by Pelosi and Germond just for Hawaii (since the HDP refused to certify eligibility) and then sent both certifications, with his own letter of transmittal, to the Hawaii Elections Office.

So instead of acting independently a month after the National Convention and confirming Constitutional eligibility as in the past, the HDP acted before the Convention to take out the eligibility language from their standard certificate, signed it, and gave it to Joe Sandler before Pelosi had signed anything – signaling to the DNC that they were not going to certify eligibility. They coordinated their efforts with Joe Sandler, who sent both documents together to the HI Elections Office. Apparently Sandler, Pelosi, and Germond all knew that Hawaii’s special certification was necessary because the HDP refused to certify Obama’s eligibility.

The question that begs an answer is: Why did the Hawaii Democratic Party refuse to certify Obama’s eligibility as they had always done to successfully place presidential candidates on the ballots before?

A former DNC official allegedly said the DNC added the eligibility language to be cautious, but that doesn’t explain why the HDP took OUT their certification which had always been sufficient in the past. Being “cautious” would mean either doing it the way it had always worked before, or ADDING to what had always worked before – not trying out an experiment that had never been tried before. Sandler had been counsel for the DNC in 1996, 2000 and 2004, and the Hawaii election law hasn’t changed since 1993 so there was no reason to believe the protocols always used weren’t sufficient. And if the DNC had questions they didn’t ask anybody about them; Deputy AG Aaron Schulaner didn’t remember anybody from the HDP or DNC asking about the requirement and said it doesn’t matter which of the 2 bodies certified eligibility.

I called the HDP headquarters on Nov 13, 2009, to ask who had authorized their change in procedures for 2008 and why. The person I spoke with had choice words for the “crazy birthers” but refused to answer questions about how the HDP’s 2008 certificate was created. I specifically wanted to know what legal counsel had approved the changes to the document, when, and why. If there was a reasonable explanation for the change there should be no reason to hide any of that information.

Before finding out I was a “birther” the HDP worker had said that they don’t have a specific attorney but take each issue as it comes up, with members of the Executive Committee sometimes pitching in their legal expertise. Looking online, the only attorney I was able to find who had represented the HDP in lawsuits in the last 15 years (3 different cases, 2 of which have now been scrubbed from the web and all of which are missing from the Hawaii court site) was William H Gilardy, Jr. The attorney who represented Obama’s mother in her divorce from Lolo Soetoro. Chances are good that Gilardy has actually seen Obama’s birth certificate – not the late, amended Hawaii BC which has no legal value and couldn’t be used for any legal purposes, but the one Obama actually used for identification purposes for kindergarten and college entry, application for a social security number, selective service registration, etc. All the stuff Obama has hidden.

Brian Schatz, HDP Chairman who signed the certificate, was Obama’s campaign spokesman in Hawaii who graduated from (and later taught at) Punahou School ,where Obama graduated from high school, and spent a year in Kenya in 1992 (which overlaps Barack and Michelle’s visit to Kenya shortly before their wedding; by that time Obama had been president of Harvard Law Review and had a book deal) . He is now running for lieutenant governor and has been endorsed by Obama’s half-sister, Maya.

The HDP refusing to certify Obama’s eligibility is bad enough as it is, but for the HDP’s usual legal counsel to be the very person who has probably seen Obama’s non-Hawaii birth certificate is explosive.

All this was presumably known by Nancy Pelosi and Alice Travers Germond when they signed that special certification for Hawaii. It was almost certainly known by Joe Sandler when he had the special certificate drawn up, counseled Pelosi and Germond to sign it, and sent the letter of transmittal with both certificates to the HI Elections Office. Calls to Sandler’s law office have been unreturned.

The HDP refused to answer my questions because they ridicule “birthers”. I solemnly suggest that if nobody in law enforcement will compel answers before then, the 2011 House Ethics Committee – hopefully under Rep Darrell Issa – initiate an investigation into potential perjury by Nancy Pelosi, aided by the potential subornation of perjury by DNC Attorney Joseph Sandler.


25 posted on 09/08/2010 8:04:21 PM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Thanks JimRob! The flags are back! - 8/17/2010.)
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To: butterdezillion

“Source”?

I think this is factually incorrect. She is reported to have sent the correct document to a few states. 2-3

There is definately an issue with how Pelosi certified his eligibility. There were a few sent to the Secretary of State with the correct wording, but most simply said he was selected.


26 posted on 09/08/2010 8:06:59 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: reasonisfaith

I wonder how much it will cost US taxpayers for Secret Service protection of Bark Obama when he is in the gray bar hotel. Ha who would want to pull that duty? 10 years worth after he leaves office...hmmm...

I think this is one bill taxpaying Americans will pay with a little smirk on their faces.


27 posted on 09/08/2010 8:07:38 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: smokingfrog

The Nation knows he is illegal in their heart. If the court wants that same treatment they shall receive it.


28 posted on 09/08/2010 8:08:07 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress
....Ha....and both docs had THE SAME TYPO.....

someone posted a couple of samples.

This was never adequately explained.

29 posted on 09/08/2010 8:17:59 PM PDT by spokeshave (Islamics and Democrats unite to cut off Adam Smith's invisible hand)
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To: butterdezillion

ping for later


30 posted on 09/08/2010 8:24:18 PM PDT by Armed Civilian ("Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.")
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To: rolling_stone

I doubt he’d get SS protection after being proved ineligible.


31 posted on 09/08/2010 8:24:39 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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To: butterdezillion; NYC_BULLMOOSE; Lmo56; Doug TX; RubyR; bergmeid; Free America52; erkyl; ...
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Why Pelosi Signed Two Certificates of Nomination

. . . . . Check out Article and # 4.

[Thanks, butterdezillion.]

32 posted on 09/08/2010 8:25:44 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

good point...hehehe


33 posted on 09/08/2010 8:25:48 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: spokeshave
here you all are:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2040486/posts?page=8379#8379

SEE THE TYPO ON SECOND LINE OF EACH SAMPLE

Thread has over 9000 comments

Enjoy

34 posted on 09/08/2010 8:32:27 PM PDT by spokeshave (Islamics and Democrats unite to cut off Adam Smith's invisible hand)
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To: butterdezillion

Excellent detective work. I hope soon these research efforts of yours and some other stalwarts will reach those who can take action.


35 posted on 09/08/2010 8:33:10 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: MHGinTN

At this point I think that killing Gilardy would only make things much, much worse for them - because whatever Gilardy was able to see is available to anybody who can get a judge to order the documents released, or any prosecuting attorney who initiates an investigation and issues subpoenas.

The thing I keep coming back to is that there is safety once the public as a whole knows Obama would like to kill you. Because if something suspicious happens it ups the ante to the level of murder.

I don’t want to put anybody in serious risk. I do pray for the safety of Gilardy and for anybody who may be in the thugs’ cross-hairs. I hope and pray that what has been said will make it unthinkable for the thugs to do anything to him because it would be so incriminating for them.

God, help me be wise; deliver me from unintended consequences, and forgive any harm I might cause. Amen.


36 posted on 09/08/2010 8:35:47 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: LucyT

Keep on it! We need to push on every front. I think more people need to contact all congress people letting them know that the information is getting around the nation. They need to know that we know and it’s not going away.


37 posted on 09/08/2010 8:35:52 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: butterdezillion; David; BP2

Pinging both of you to butterdezillion’s post about Lakin and another attorney. Ideas?


38 posted on 09/08/2010 8:36:41 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: smokingfrog

Thank you so much!! That is so much better! =)


39 posted on 09/08/2010 8:37:10 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Do you have any links or other ways I can find more information about that? I would love to know which states received the other one, and I certainly want to correct any errors. So thanks for the clue and if you can help me find out the documentation for that I will certainly correct my post to reflect the new information.


40 posted on 09/08/2010 8:40:23 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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