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Why Pelosi Signed Two Certificates of Nomination
Sept 8, 2010 | Butterdezillion

Posted on 09/08/2010 7:21:00 PM PDT by butterdezillion

Nancy Pelosi signed one certificate of nomination which was sent to 49 states and another - saying that Obama is Constitutionally eligible - to Hawaii. People have asked why she didn't send the eligibility-certifying one to all the states, but the more pressing question is, "Why did the Hawaii Democratic Party refuse to certify Obama's eligibility?"

This is on my blog but I'll post the whole thing in the first response and the link to the blog post in the 2nd response so the links will be (hopefully) clickable.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; democraticparty; eligibility; fraud; hawaii; naturalborncitizen; obama; pelosi; usurper
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To: butterdezillion

You need to read jbjd’s (http://jbjd.org) three-part series entitled “A Coup Through and Through” about the events that took place in the run up to and then at the national Democratic Convention. I think you will realize that the signing of the HDP’s letter at the convention had more to do with the events that took place there than a refusal to certify Obama. I cannot yet reach a conclusion that the HDP “refused” to certify Obama based solely on when they signed a letter and how they assembled it. I need hard evidence. What you have is speculation. And that’s not meant as an insult, it means I’m a skeptic who needs significant confirmation of facts.


181 posted on 09/09/2010 3:28:35 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

You didn’t answer the question. Why did the HDP deliberately take out the eligibility language from the standard certificate they had always used previously?


182 posted on 09/09/2010 3:38:09 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: edge919

Nope. When Obama’s campaign website linked to an image of the COLB (fake or not) and then later allowed FactCheck to publish photographs of the COLB (fake or not,) Obama authorized the disclosure of his private information to the general public. At that point the information he released made that specific informaton on the COLB (not the details that might be on the long form) publicly available. In doing so, he legally released the HDoH from their responsibility to protect (and keep confidential) the data on his COLB.

Then, when the HDoH released a public statement declaring that Obama is a natural born citizen, they created a right of the public to examine (see) what evidence the HDoH used to determine that Obama is an NBC. By law, that action alone, gave the public the right to examine all of the data used by the state in making such a legal determination: e-mails, legal opinions, birth certificates, etc.. The UIPA demands the release of such information and OIP written legal opinions concur, yet HDoH continues to refuse.


183 posted on 09/09/2010 3:48:39 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: butterdezillion

Yes, I did answer the question indirectly. The events that took place in the run upto and at the national convention offer (IMO) another possible explanation of why the HDP handled the letter the way they did that year. There was clear evidence of fraud at the convention on the part of Pelosi and Sandler to secure Obama’s nomination in a particular way in order to get Obama’s name on the ballot . Read the three-part series. Ipromise, you will be enlightened and then disgusted.


184 posted on 09/09/2010 3:56:40 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Arizona PUMAs have. (I believe they did so immediately after the Democratic Convention in 2008.) Their request for an investigation by the AG was ignored.


Too bad Arizona’s conservative Republican Governor, Jan Brewer hasn’t called for a Grand Jury investigation. That’s how you get even prosecutors of the wrong political party to take action.
It was Democrat Janet Reno who was forced by political pressure and public opinion to appoint Ken Starr as Independent Counsel for the Whitewater Grand Jury and it was Republican John Ashcroft who was forced by political pressure and public opinion to appoint Peter Fitzpatrick as Special Prosecutor for the CIA Leak/Valerie Plame Affair Grand Jury that indicted Scooter Libby.


185 posted on 09/09/2010 4:05:04 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: BuckeyeTexan

When Obama For America posted his COLB image online at FactCheck.org, they publicly disclosed confidential/private information from his Hawaii vital records. Then when officials of Hawaii released statements about Obama’s birth, they too publicly disclosed confidential information. The disclosure of such information negated, by law, the legal ability of the Hawaii DoH to refuse to release official copies of Obama’s COLB.

According to Hawaii’s laws, once you make it public or make a public statement about it, the data is no longer private and the public is therefore entitled to see it. Hawaii is ignoring the law.


That’s not the way the privacy laws work. Any of us can give up our own right to privacy and have information disclosed. That does not give anyone else the right to disclose that information and just because of an unauthorized disclosure, it doesn’t mean that any information can continue to be disclosed.
The attorney general’s office in Hawaii has supposedly been consulted on disclosures of Obama birth information in order to comply with the law and the current Attorney General is a Republican named Mark L. Bennett,


186 posted on 09/09/2010 4:12:00 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: rolling_stone

And? Have you filed a complaint with anyone?


No, I’m not a birther.
A complaint should come from someone on the ineligibile side of the debate not from the eligible side.


187 posted on 09/09/2010 4:17:20 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: butterdezillion

Certificate of Nomination Summary

By butterdezillion

Why Pelosi and Germond Signed a Different Certificate of Nomination for Hawaii

Based on the outstanding research by blogger jbjd here, here, here, and here, Canada Free Press broke a story showing that Nancy Pelosi and Alice Travers Germond , as representatives of the Democratic National Committee, had signed one Certificate of Nomination for Obama and Biden that was sent to 49 states, and another that was sent only to Hawaii. Only the certificate sent to Hawaii included a statement that Obama and Biden were Constitutionally qualified to serve as President and Vice-President.

That certificate of nomination for Hawaii is the ONLY statement in this nation signed by somebody besides Obama which claims that Obama is Constitutionally eligible to be President. Contrary to arguments that Congress certified Obama’s eligibility when they certified the results of the electoral vote, neither representatives of Congress nor any Secretary of State has signed a legal document saying that Obama is eligible. This one oath by Pelosi and Germond is the only legal claim that Obama’s eligibility was verified.

And there is a huge story about how this particular certificate came to be, which the House Ethics Committee, every state Attorney General, and the public at large need to know.

First off, they need to know that the Hawaii Department of Health has confirmed that neither Pelosi nor Germond, nor any leader of either the Democratic National Committee or the Hawaii Democratic Party, has ever even asked to see Obama’s birth certificate. So Pelosi and Germond did not sign this document because they saw a certified copy from the HDOH office. And in fact, if they had seen anything from the HDOH office they would have known his Hawaii birth certificate has been amended and has no legal value.

It’s been removed from the web, but shortly after CFP published their original article about the Certificates of Nomination, somebody claiming to represent the DNC stated on a discussion board that the DNC relies on the state parties to verify Constitutional eligibility for candidates, so the oath by Pelosi and Germond would just confirm that the state democratic parties had confirmed the Constitutional eligibility of the candidates.

But this is where the argument totally falls apart, because the Hawaii Democratic Party actually ignored their protocols in 2008 in order to specifically NOT certify Obama’s eligibility as they had done for candidates in the past. IOW, if Pelosi based her decision to certify on whether the state party would confirm eligibility, then she had a duty to NOT certify Obama’s eligibility, because the democratic party of the state supposedly holding Obama’s birth certificate REFUSED TO CERTIFY Obama’s eligibility.

I requested and received from the Hawaii Dept of Elections the certificates of nomination from both the DNC and Hawaii Democratic Party (HDP). I was told their records only go as far back as 2000. In 2000 and 2004 the HDP waited until about a month after the National Convention and then signed and hand-delivered to the Hawaii Elections Office their certification that the candidates 1) were chosen by both the state and national parties and 2) were Constitutionally eligible to be President and VP. That was the HDP’s standard procedure, fulfilling both of Hawaii’s 2 requirements for placement on the ballot. (I will upload those documents as soon as I can get my husband to scan them.)

In 2008 the HDP signed their certification – with the Constitutional eligibility language removed – at the National Convention, on the day BEFORE Pelosi and Germond signed the DNC certificate. They then apparently gave their HDP certificate to DNC Attorney Joseph Sandler, who then had a special certificate created and signed by Pelosi and Germond just for Hawaii (since the HDP refused to certify eligibility) and then sent both certifications, with his own letter of transmittal, to the Hawaii Elections Office.

So instead of acting independently a month after the National Convention and confirming Constitutional eligibility as in the past, the HDP acted before the Convention to take out the eligibility language from their standard certificate, signed it, and gave it to Joe Sandler before Pelosi had signed anything – signaling to the DNC that they were not going to certify eligibility. They coordinated their efforts with Joe Sandler, who sent both documents together to the HI Elections Office. Apparently Sandler, Pelosi, and Germond all knew that Hawaii’s special certification was necessary because the HDP refused to certify Obama’s eligibility.

The question that begs an answer is: Why did the Hawaii Democratic Party refuse to certify Obama’s eligibility as they had always done to successfully place presidential candidates on the ballots before?

A former DNC official allegedly said the DNC added the eligibility language to be cautious, but that doesn’t explain why the HDP took OUT their certification which had always been sufficient in the past. Being “cautious” would mean either doing it the way it had always worked before, or ADDING to what had always worked before – not trying out an experiment that had never been tried before. Sandler had been counsel for the DNC in 1996, 2000 and 2004, and the Hawaii election law hasn’t changed since 1993 so there was no reason to believe the protocols always used weren’t sufficient. And if the DNC had questions they didn’t ask anybody about them; Deputy AG Aaron Schulaner didn’t remember anybody from the HDP or DNC asking about the requirement and said it doesn’t matter which of the 2 bodies certified eligibility.

I called the HDP headquarters on Nov 13, 2009, to ask who had authorized their change in procedures for 2008 and why. The person I spoke with had choice words for the “crazy birthers” but refused to answer questions about how the HDP’s 2008 certificate was created. I specifically wanted to know what legal counsel had approved the changes to the document, when, and why. If there was a reasonable explanation for the change there should be no reason to hide any of that information.

Before finding out I was a “birther” the HDP worker had said that they don’t have a specific attorney but take each issue as it comes up, with members of the Executive Committee sometimes pitching in their legal expertise. Looking online, the only attorney I was able to find who had represented the HDP in lawsuits in the last 15 years (3 different cases, 2 of which have now been scrubbed from the web and all of which are missing from the Hawaii court site) was William H Gilardy, Jr. The attorney who represented Obama’s mother in her divorce from Lolo Soetoro. Chances are good that Gilardy has actually seen Obama’s birth certificate – not the late, amended Hawaii BC which has no legal value and couldn’t be used for any legal purposes, but the one Obama actually used for identification purposes for kindergarten and college entry, application for a social security number, selective service registration, etc. All the stuff Obama has hidden.

Brian Schatz, HDP Chairman who signed the certificate, was Obama’s campaign spokesman in Hawaii who graduated from (and later taught at) Punahou School ,where Obama graduated from high school, and spent a year in Kenya in 1992 (which overlaps Barack and Michelle’s visit to Kenya shortly before their wedding; by that time Obama had been president of Harvard Law Review and had a book deal) . He is now running for lieutenant governor and has been endorsed by Obama’s half-sister, Maya.

The HDP refusing to certify Obama’s eligibility is bad enough as it is, but for the HDP’s usual legal counsel to be the very person who has probably seen Obama’s non-Hawaii birth certificate is explosive.

All this was presumably known by Nancy Pelosi and Alice Travers Germond when they signed that special certification for Hawaii. It was almost certainly known by Joe Sandler when he had the special certificate drawn up, counseled Pelosi and Germond to sign it, and sent the letter of transmittal with both certificates to the HI Elections Office. Calls to Sandler’s law office have been unreturned.

The HDP refused to answer my questions because they ridicule “birthers”. I solemnly suggest that if nobody in law enforcement will compel answers before then, the 2011 House Ethics Committee – hopefully under Rep Darrell Issa – initiate an investigation into potential perjury by Nancy Pelosi, aided by the potential subornation of perjury by DNC Attorney Joseph Sandler.


188 posted on 09/09/2010 4:22:22 PM PDT by deport
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To: jamese777

I’ll find the relevant UIPA laws and OIP legal opinions and post them for you to review. Obama released his private information to the public intentionally, not inadvertantly.

The HDoH can release copies of vital records to the general public if the individual or his/her representative authorizes that release. A relevant OIP opinion letter establised that publicly disclosing one’s own information inherently provides such an authorization.

Yes, the Hawaii AG disagrees with the OIP’s interpretation of the relevant UIPA law. That’s why they refuse to release copies. A resident of Hawaii could bring a lawsuit to enforce the law just as citizens regularly file lawsuits to compel the release of documents that should be released under FOIA but are denied.

An official declaration from a governing authority that Obama is a natural born citizen is not an inadvertant disclosure of private data. That statement created a right to examine the information considered by the authority in making the determination. The relevant OIP opinions agree.


189 posted on 09/09/2010 4:34:55 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

What Obama and his buddies did is truly vile (and illegal).

But it still doesn’t explain why the HDP didn’t wait until a month after the convention and then sign their standard cert and deliver it to the Elections Office as they had always done before. In fact, with all that drama it would have made more sense for them to get lost in the drama at the convention and only take care of the paperwork long after the drama was over.

Since Pelosi had so much other stuff she was dealing with, the HDP could have made things easier by just doing what they had always done, saving Pelosi extra details like having to sign a special cert just for Hawaii.

So why didn’t the HDP do that? Why go out of their way to cause the extra hassle in an already tumultuous time?


190 posted on 09/09/2010 4:35:45 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: jamese777

Inadvertently not inadvertantly. Geez, I misspelled it twice.


191 posted on 09/09/2010 4:36:48 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: jamese777

The AG’s office contradicted Okubo regarding whether they were consulted on Fukino’s statements.

OIP Opinion Letters and UIPA make it clear that once information has been disclosed (published) it is no longer confidential, and once a department has “informed the public” the created and maintained documents used to inform the public become public themselves.

Buckeye Texan has this one exactly right. Hawaii is violating its own laws, and they know it.


192 posted on 09/09/2010 4:40:08 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: deport

Ah, that looks so nice. When I grow up I want to be able to post like that here at FR. lol.

Thanks for posting that. =)


193 posted on 09/09/2010 4:41:50 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion
I do believe that the dems believe they have an ace-in-the-hole that will deliver them from the electorate, or they wouldn’t have been willing to cram everything down our throats AFTER having faced enraged town hall crowds. They knew we were angry and they chose to take it in the shorts anyway. No politician willingly decides to take it in the shorts. There’s got to be something more that they’re counting on.

Massive vote fraud?

194 posted on 09/09/2010 4:44:36 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: butterdezillion

You’re assuming the HDP had the ability (power) to refuse to certify Obama. Legally, they probably did. Politically, they did not. The seating of state delegates was used as a weapon by Pelosi and Sandler at the convention to force the state delegations to do as instructed.

Did you read all three parts of that series? Pelosi and Sandler dictated instructions and set very specific dates and times for the various state delegations to submit convention paperwork. (And they changed and suspended DNC rules when and how they wanted to effect their goals.)


195 posted on 09/09/2010 4:49:31 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: justiceseeker93
Can We The People instigate a class action suit against Pelosi? No, this is not not a civil matter, this would be a criminal matter...
Can we instigate a class action suit under the premise that since the elected officials (Zero and Biden) collect a salary paid for by the citizens, and that a fraud was committed to place them in office, that we are seeking damages --such as a return of monies paid them? The point of course is not to get the money back, but to expose the fraud. Similar to the civil suit filed against OJ Simpson after he was acquited. Is something like that doable?
196 posted on 09/09/2010 5:09:03 PM PDT by JoeA (JoeA / Welcome to the Second American Revolution)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Then, when the HDoH released a public statement declaring that Obama is a natural born citizen, they created a right of the public to examine (see) what evidence the HDoH used to determine that Obama is an NBC. By law, that action alone, gave the public the right to examine all of the data used by the state in making such a legal determination: e-mails, legal opinions, birth certificates, etc.. The UIPA demands the release of such information and OIP written legal opinions concur, yet HDoH continues to refuse.

Thank you for those facts, now what does logic and common sense tell you about the HDOH refusal?

Now couple that with the Dept of State having "the dog ate it" excuse of Stanley Ann's1965 and earlier passport applications..

Next is the National Archives going to hide the Obama family travel records or release them?

Sooner or later lame excuses fail to be believable even to the devout after-birthers.

197 posted on 09/09/2010 5:17:16 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone

I’m no ordinary anti-birther. I don’t believe Obama’s eligible. I just don’t believe rumors unless I see hard evidence to confirm them. And I detest the perpetuation of demonstrably false informaton.


198 posted on 09/09/2010 5:32:51 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Exactly. Well-stated.

The only reason a judicial appeal hasn’t been filed is because all the Hawaii officials have shown themselves to be so corrupt that there’s no reasonable expectation of a just judge in Hawaii.

Pretty sad.


199 posted on 09/09/2010 5:44:32 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I agree, I desire the truth and correct information, wherever and whatever it is. To find it one must start with an open mind and follow the tracks and not try and make them go to a predetermined or self desired destination or route. Sometimes one runs into false trails and subterfuge, but eventually the trail will lead to the truth, that is what I hope all those here want.

Other places and other people seem to think the end justifies the means, I don’t.


200 posted on 09/09/2010 5:46:30 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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