Posted on 09/05/2010 10:56:10 AM PDT by Kaslin
In the wake of a dispute between WorldNetDaily editor Joseph Farah and conservative author Ann Coulter over her decision to headline an event sponsored by GOProud, a gay conservative organization, Farah and GOProud Chairman Christopher Barron will square off in a debate later this month at WND’s convention.
Barron told The Daily Caller that Farah challenged him to debate over whether GOProud can be considered “conservative” after Farah argued on his site that there is no place within conservatism for an organization like GOProud, a group that promotes itself as “the only national organization representing gay conservatives and their allies.” TheDC is waiting for confirmation from WND about the debate’s details.
Farah dropped Coulter from a speaking engagement at WND’s annual “Taking America Back” convention in Miami for agreeing to speak at GOProud’s “Homocon” party in New York. (Coulter later said that Farah had never actually booked her for a speech, calling him a “swine” and a “publicity whore.”)
Farah contends that groups like GOProud are trying to commit a “coup” to unroot the conservative movement with an “agenda…to take the homosexual agenda inside the conservative tent.”
Barron insists that his group is genuinely conservative and said he looks forward taking on Farah in front of a WND crowd.
“Since we announced that conservative author and columnist Ann Coulter would be headlining our Homocon 2010 in New York City, Farah has attacked GOProud, attacked Ann, and challenged our work almost every single day,” Barron said in a statement to The Daily Caller. “I look forward to standing on the stage with Mr. Farah to defend GOProud, to debunk the misinformation he has spread, and to make the case for GOProud’s conservative mission.”
Barron added that conservatism stands at a major crossroads in its acceptance of gays into the movement. A number of high profile conservatives, including Lisa De Pasquale of the Conservative Political Action Conference, Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform and former General Counsel to the National Republican Senatorial Committee Craig Engle, have signed on as official sponsors of GOProud’s event.
The debate will be held on September 17 at 7:30 PM at the Doral Golf and Spa Resort in Miami, Florida.
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The homosexual agenda is not about love. I love people of my own sex, but I don’t want to practice sodomy with them.
Plenty of conservatives speak out about the homosexual agenda. They don’t necessarily say “Hey! I’m a Jew/Mexican/Black” etc.
And you probably aren’t reading everything conservative leaders are saying, obviously.
Gays are born that way
Gays are NOT born that way, where are you getting this erroneous info? And conservatives ARE welcome on FR, homosexuality is not, take your pick, you can't have both unless you want to redefine conservatism the same way homos are trying to redefine marriage. A so-called gay conservative really should leave his sexuality at the front door if he wants in, don't you agree?
Good post.
yeah, David Barton sent me all that stuff twenty years ago. Still Barton never dealt with the FreeMasonry of the Founders.
I’d be more interested if Washington ever considered what a Satanic crime it was for him to bow the knee to Lucifer in those weird Masonic rituals than what was published about the founder’s Christianity.
Frankly, for men who considered themselves “Christians” but who were also Masons — this seems to me to be a bigger sin than unsaved people who are gay. It is breaking the First Commandment very soundly and very heartily and must be an abomination to God.
That's why I want to conserve it, against anyone - the Left, gay-hating-Christians, Christian-hating-gays, RINOs, or anyone else who would throw it out in the name of "higher principles" invoked solely to polarize people and destroy the unity necessary for its preservation.
I think you may be confused. Negative rights permit or oblige inaction rather than permit or oblige action (positive rights). The negative rights specifically identified in the Constitution do not stand alone as they were specifically identified in reference to the government. The negative rights identified are limits upon the government NOT limits upon the citizens who may or may not partake regardless the government may NEVER infringe. Additionally, ALL else not specifically identified the domain of government is reserved to the citizenry to be decided...
NOW it would seem that we see the belief in homosexual sex being good stuff attempting to impose itself over religious belief or for that matter common sense public opinion -where exactly is the authority for this homosexual sex premised rights absurdity that the government now seeks to impose upon society? It does not come from God -it does not come from the people -where then does it come from?
Calling something hate does not excuse absurdity...
Your position is premised upon no authority save the whim of government -cloaked in reference to the Constitution it is actually a leaf blowing in the wind that signifies the opinion of citizens is moot and society is but a lapdog to government imposed morality...
Actually the founders of GOProud include bloggers who have been exposing Log Cabin<-->Rat connections for years. For instance see the blog entries here:
http://www.gaypatriot.net/category/log-cabin-republicans/
As I understand it (although I have no insider info) GOProud was founded precisely because the Log Cabin group was considered corrupt and unsalvageable. It's internal critics felt that the LCR national leadership devoted all its energies to getting along with, and refusing to criticize, liberal gay orgs, and did nothing to serve gay conservatives and their local chapters, or to advance conservatism. Eventually the critics gave up on reclaiming LCR and established their own group.
You don't have to sign on with GOProud to be happy about the fact that the Log Cabin phonies now have a more conservative challenger.
And even if you disagree with Coulter, you gotta love her Homocon slogan...
"Our gays are more macho than their straights!"
That's gotta hurt the like of Chrissy Matthews and Keith Olbermetrosexual.
Second, no heterosexual can criticize homosexuals for sodomy if they commit sodomy themselves. And guess what sodomy is? You'd be wrong if you don't look it up.
Every Christian man I have ever dated believes heterosexual sodomy (i.e. anal or oral sex) is somehow okay while homosexual sodomy is not — and frankly, the Christians are freakier to me than gays who do not know the Lord and have no chance to even recognize their sin because they do not have the gift of the Holy Spirit to overcome.
For Christian men to blame UNSAVED GAYS for their sexual proclivities when their own house is completely out of order (porn...ahem) — is the height of hypocrisy. Especially when God assures us that He will judge the Church FIRST.
It all boils down to selfishness. Farah is WAY too stupid to understand or debate the problem of the sin of “pleasure seeking” which God hates too.
If I were Chris Barron, I'd simply ask Farah if he believes oral or anal sex is okay for heterosexuals and to define if conservatism can encompass these sodomites.
If I were Chris Barron, I'd ask Farah if conservatism can encompass “pleasure seekers” or misogynistic porn surfers.
If I were Chris Barron, I'd ask Farah if conservatism can encompass satanic Freemasons and Masons (both are abominations in Christianity.)
If I were Chris Barron, I'd also posit that there is a vast difference between the Old Testament manner of dealing with homosexuality than the New Testament, which does Joseph Farah consider more “conservative”? Stoning someone for their sin or recognizing that we all are sinners before Christ?
Farah needs be offering Barron a hand of friendship in Christ as fellow sinners in need of a savior, not castigating Barron for his sin.
But like I said, I don't believe Farah is a good enough Christian to debate this.
Betcha anything Farah mistakes Jesus as being a God of “American Family Values”
which is meaningless to Christ who said “who are my brothers, my sister, my mother? Only those who do the will of my Father in heaven” as well as “”If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters, as well as his own life, he can't be My disciple.”
So basically, again, if I were Chris Barron, I'd just ask: does conservatism encompass true Christianity which is not about American Family Values at all — but rather a crucifixion of self and all that the world holds dear?
On a lighter note, if I were Joseph Farah, I'd ask Chris Barron who thought up the ridiculous moniker for Ann Coulter that she is the "right wing Judy Garland"? (still confused over that one.)
Didn’t Dick Cheney’s wife write a lesbian book once? Or was that his daughter?
Cheney always held a strange familiarity for me... reminded me in personality, demeanor, politics and in looks — of my father.
Second, no heterosexual can criticize homosexuals for sodomy if they commit sodomy themselves. And guess what sodomy is? You'd be wrong if you don't look it up.
As to your first point, Farah may be an idiot -really, this is irrelevant in regard to the issue and is but a judgment of Farah -Christianity does not rise or fall with the performance of Farah, you, or myself. An idiot not able to defend the principles and basis premising the Constitution says nothing as to the legitimacy of the Constitution...
Your second point tends to negate your first -regardless, two wrongs do not make a right. Further, the criminalization of sodomy is not the issue here -the promotion of it in society, the push for its acceptance, and special rights premised in an activity is the issue here...
As to your sex life -just as irrelevant as the homosexual sex life when it comes to conservative principles...
Well, what if I said Roy Mastersbating Loons should leave that incoherent, infantile, newage, babbling bullcrap at the door, if they want in?
See the problem with knee-jerk, globally stereotyped bigotry?
If not, try looking in a mirror.
You don't need a bible to know that gay marriage ain't a great idea.
Savage is a crank. But amusing as hell.
"it seems this organization's purpose is to convince conservative Republicans to support the gay agenda, rather than convince gays to support conservative Republicans"
Indeed, they got Ted Olsen. Smart strategy on their part to try and not frame it as a "liberal" issue. What's not smart is that they are doing it all. They should be talking to gay voters about how they are getting killed by liberal policies just like the rest of us. Perhaps they feel it's hopeless to try and get other gays to see past their own issues. Embracing the gay agenda would slightly increase gay support for Republicans. But cost them much more in votes, funds and enthusiasm from social conservatives.
Plenty of gays are conservatives, the good ones do as they should and keep their private lives private rather than make it their A#1 political issue that they can get 'married' and tell their drill sergeant about it (the later inexplicably, they oughta be thrilled with don't ask don't tell!).
“Conservative homosexuals is an oxymoron.”
I totally agree.
You apparently have a problem with Roy Masters, so your post has really nothing to do with what I said about homosexuals leaving their sexual lives private. Then again you just might be homosexual yourself, since your post tells me I hit a nerve somewhere.
I have never asked anyone their color or belief system. It never mattered to me. Conservatives are much more accepting than liberals. Liberals don't accept people, they use them.
Gays are born that way.
Wikipedia is a leftist site with an agenda funded by Soros. It's useless.
Born or Bred? Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality Is Genetic
Beginning in the early 1990s, activists began arguing that scientific research has proven that homosexuality has a genetic or hormonal cause. A handful of studies, none of them replicated and all exposed as methodologically unsound or misrepresented, have linked sexual orientation to everything from differences in portions of the brain,1,2 to genes,3 finger length,4 inner ear differences,5 eye-blinking,6 and "neuro-hormonal differentiation."7
Against increasing evidence that homosexual behavior is neither inevitable nor impossible to resist, a number of studies have been widely publicized as "proof" of a genetic component. But they are either poorly constructed or misreported as to their significance.
Determining whether something has a biological cause is difficult, and locating a specifically genetic link is even more so. The handful of studies that purportedly add up to incontestable "proof" that homosexuals are "born that way" are inconclusive at best and, as Dr. Rahman notes, "largely correlational in nature." In some cases, such as the twins studies, the evidence strongly indicates that early environment is more likely the dominant factor to have produced homosexual desires.
As Dr. Satinover emphasizes, correlation does not mean something is causative. Basketball players are tall, so height correlates with playing basketball, he notes. But there is no "basketball-playing gene." Efforts to turn some interesting correlations into causal factors have not been successful and yet have been misused to advance a political agenda.
Gays use both so I guess that kindergartners are smarter than the average homosexual.
why would we accept people who "advocate" anal sex. Do you "advocate" oral sex?
Actually I don't go around telling everyone what my bedroom activities are or are not. But homosexuals do.
"We're here, we're queer, we're in your face." And they are. And there is the problem.
Bigotry? Homosexuality is a BEHAVIOR and a deviant one. It is not a civil right.
Homosexuality is not condoned on FR. A poster pushes that agenda and they get banned.
FR is a conservative site. We do not appreciate our members fighting against us on our conservative values and issues. If you wish to support homosexual marriage or homosexuals in the military or hate crimes against us for speaking out against government promotion of homosexuality that’s your business, but you’d better do it somewhere else and not on FR. If you value your posting privileges, that is. FR is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-marriage, pro-military, pro-traditional American conservatism and it is a privilege to post here. Those who support the godless liberal/Marxist destruction of our free society and our country are free to exercise their free speech rights elsewhere. I won’t stand in your way.
homosexuals are not born that way at all so where on earth do you get your info from.
There is no homo gene and they’;re not gay either they are homosexuals.
You used the same talking crap points of the left too I see.
this new group is all about homosexuals and changing every platform of the republican party, overturn don’t ask. get rid of DOMA etc etc
not in the military I was with for sure.
If anyone is suspected a homosexual then believe me they are not going to be holding hands of sharing showers
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