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Palin’s conservative fans need to reassess her “victories”
Seeing Red AZ ^ | 2010-08-26

Posted on 08/26/2010 8:12:30 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

The Hill runs a report crediting Sarah Palin for her many Republic primary victories. Before conservatives take too much pleasure in such news, read how she is credited with helping sweep John McCain to victory. Palin traveled to Arizona and made numerous campaign appearances with McCain, bringing him the Tea Party creds he so desperately needed to undercut the fact that he is a nearly three-decades-long, left-leaning Washington insider.

That Palin chose to conveniently back McCain over conservative former U.S. Rep. J.D. Hayworth is a truth that should not soon be forgotten. Her help, McCain’s falsely running to the right, taking positions adverse to his established ones and $21 million dollars in attack ads did the trick.

Sarah Palin is all about expediency. She is no conservative.


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To: EveningStar

Thou shalt not post facts as a substitute for emotional drivel ;-)


301 posted on 08/27/2010 11:55:13 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (((.Go troops! " Vote out RINOS. They screw you EVERY time" Jim Robinson)
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To: Lee'sGhost
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Alaska, and that I will faithfully discharge my duties as Governor to the best of my ability."

That's the oath that Palin took and then disregarded. Note please, it does not say "to the best of my ability unless things get too tough."

I'd really like to see you argue that as an example of 'keeping one's word'. I mean it, I'd really like to see how you do it.

302 posted on 08/27/2010 12:01:46 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: stephenjohnbanker
While there are a number of palin's positions that are troubling from a conservative perspective they are not my main points of objection to the constant push to declare her the only genuine choice for POTUS. My objections are simple...

1. She is not qualified for the toughest job on the planet.

2. She is one of the two most polarizing celebrities on the political scene today, the current pretend POTUS is the other.

3. Her quitting act renders her unelectable. Americans don't like quitters and will not buy the spinning reasons. We know what we see.

Nominating her would be such an act of political stupidity that I suspect the motives of some of the freepers who push her non-stop.

303 posted on 08/27/2010 12:10:09 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: wtc911

Her positions bother me far more than her quitting, but I am not the voice of the people. Back in 07, I posted that the only Republican sure to lose in 08 was McCain. I hereby state the same for Palin in 2012.


304 posted on 08/27/2010 12:14:44 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (((.Go troops! " Vote out RINOS. They screw you EVERY time" Jim Robinson)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

No argument here


305 posted on 08/27/2010 3:21:01 PM PDT by Leader_Of_The _Conservatives (High time to bring back the sons (and daughters) of liberty!!!! SP4P2012)
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To: wtc911

What happens when an officer in the military is no longer willing or able or allowed to fulfill his duties?

He/she does the honorable thing and resigns.

He/she also took an oath and (we assume for the sake of this discussion) he fulfilled that oath up until the moment he/she resigned.

If we use your “logic”, the officer should break his oath, remained commissioned, and serve without honor and than less than his ability.

You are selectively applying specific aspects of the oath concept and ignoring the many facets that comprise the oath. I suppose, in your mind, if Alaska changed its constitution in a way that conflicted with the U.S. Constitution — both of which she swore to uphold — she would have to kill herself. In other words, the way you apply the standard is illogical and unreasonable.

The same goes for giving your word to someone. If I gave my word to support your efforts to discredit Sarah Palin I would keep it, unless you started to make up things about her or twist the facts in such a way that are dishonest, I would break that word....because as gentlemen it would have been made on the assumption that it would be done honestly...not dishonestly.

I believe you applying black and white standards to Sarah unrealistically because it supports your point of view...standards that you yourself would not adhere to if you were in her shoes.


306 posted on 08/28/2010 4:42:53 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Lee'sGhost
Utter nonsense. One's oath (commitment) does not end when one becomes "unwilling" to serve or if the task becomes too hard. If that is all it takes to break the oath then the oath-giver's word has no value.

And, btw, a military officer's oath to serve is not at his discretion. He is committed until the length of his service commitment expires. Or is it that you really believe that a USMC Captain can, at any point, declare "I can't do this any more, I quit"?

Nice try though

Thanks for playing.

307 posted on 08/28/2010 5:14:01 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: Lee'sGhost
I believe you applying black and white standards to Sarah unrealistically because it supports your point of view...standards that you yourself would not adhere to if you were in her shoes.

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A. I am applying the same standard that I would apply to any elected official....fulfill your commitment to the people who elected you to the position for which you campaigned.

B. You might have quit too but do not assume that I (or millions of others who take an oath seriously) am cut from the same cloth. I have never quit anything to which I had committed. And do not assume either that my life has not had adversity that made keeping my word a sacrifice.

Tens of millions of Americans know what it is like to be faced with sacrifice in order to keep an oath or a promise. Most do not quit, if they did this country would not be worth living in.

308 posted on 08/28/2010 6:16:02 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: wtc911

Well, that’s really nice but doesn’t counter anything I said.

I know that most good people are like me...they put God and their families first. And you miss the most obvious point..Sarah’s oath applied to her WHILE she was gov as gov and was upheld WHILE she was gov. She did NOT swear to go four years even if it meant destroying her family. No oath was broken. A simple fact I suspect you won’t be able to comprehend.


309 posted on 08/28/2010 6:42:18 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Ah no.
If this was the year of the Tea Party and anti-incumbency then how could JD lost by 30 points?

If McCain didn’t pull out his tricks to win,then JD would have won. If peopel who are idiots like Romney, Scott Borwn and so on keep telling people who great McCain is when he is a tratior then your unbright voter was brainwashed. Shame on the tea party for not coming to the defnse of Hayworth and standing firmly against McCain. If we act the way Bush did towards the Left, with Rinos they will keep trampling over us.


310 posted on 08/28/2010 8:58:59 AM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Ah no.
If this was the year of the Tea Party and anti-incumbency then how could JD lost by 30 points?

If McCain didn’t pull out his tricks to win,then JD would have won. If people who are idiots like Romney, Scott Brown and so on keep telling people how great McCain is when he is a traitor then your un-bright voter will be brainwashed. Just like it happened with Obama. Shame on the tea party for not coming to the defense of Hayworth and standing firmly against McCain. If we act the way Bush did towards the Left, with Rinos, they will keep trampling over us.

We will have to draw the line in the sand eventually by 2012 on people like McCain. Or risk breaking the Republican party apart. If Lisa Murkowski and Charlie Crist and Arlen Specter and Bob Bennett has taught us anything, it is that they will not fade away but keep fighting just like Obama.

The Republican party is infected with Liberals/ Progressives/Marxists. And so it is not to be taken for granted that it won’t be easy to get rid of them Rinos. Therefore, I say we must fight harder. If we do not then we send the message they are running the party. McCain’s win signals that.


311 posted on 08/28/2010 9:07:44 AM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“McCain is in the twilight of his career. He holds no Senate leadership or committee chairmanships.

He’s nothing but a younger version of Strom Thurmond, and if the new Republicans get elected that’ll blunt his impact. I agree with you that McCain is a Soros POS but in the end he’s irrelevant. “

Well I hope all this is true. I will not support McCain no msatter who tells me how “great” he is... even Palin.


312 posted on 08/28/2010 9:15:36 AM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“McCain is in the twilight of his career. He holds no Senate leadership or committee chairmanships.

He’s nothing but a younger version of Strom Thurmond, and if the new Republicans get elected that’ll blunt his impact. I agree with you that McCain is a Soros POS but in the end he’s irrelevant. “

Well I hope all this is true. I will not support McCain no matter who tells me how “great” he is... even Palin. I know the reality.


313 posted on 08/28/2010 9:16:15 AM PDT by Mozilla
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To: wtc911

Are you trying to give the impression you are better than Sarah? LOL. A little dweeb behind a computer doesn’t cut it!

It takes a conservative to understand how things go in the big world. It you haven’t got it by now, stay behind the computer and do the things the MSM do - they thrive off of you. It good to be useful for something.

GO SARAH!


314 posted on 08/28/2010 9:47:07 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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