Posted on 08/02/2010 12:11:35 PM PDT by massmike
This past Tuesday evening Brian Camenker of MassResistance addressed the Plymouth Rock Tea Party in Pembroke. Also making speeches were several well-known politicians and candidates.
Two days earlier, on Sunday, a Tea Party on the Lexington Battle Green was shut down by "fiscal-only" Republicans who were upset that "social issues" would be discussed if Brian Camenker of MassResistance were present.
Almost immediately after that, a member of the Plymouth Rock Tea Party (which has recently merged with the Cape and Islands group) contacted Camenker and said, "We heard what happened. Come on down and speak at our event on Tuesday."
It was a great evening and the Plymouth Rock Tea Party people are among the best! Apparently, the RINO Republicans weren't able to persuade the Plymouth Rock Tea Party or the candidates to stay away!
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I keep thinking I’m on Facebook and want to hit the ‘like’ button! Amen!
So, in fact, you would compel the T Party...or any party or organization for that matter...to toe the line on what you believe to be the most important issues before the country?
So, they do it your way or you walk? Or, do you not walk and stock around to force them by any means you can to support your point of view?
Why not just NOT JOIN THE T Party? Separate from them and work through the organizations that see the world your way?
Must you force them to do what they don't want to do?
Absolutely!
I am in favor for fighting for true Freedom, not license. Freedom is the right to choose from different "goods". License is anarchy at its core.
I am NOT going to support any organization that endorses candidates that seek to deny the people their right to representation and support giving the trial lawyers a boost in destroying the free market through lawsuits designed to promote fascism. If the TEA party or certain factions of it go that route then I will not support them.
I also have no problem speaking out on this issue at TEA party events and fighting it out with the phoney fiscal conservatives or phoney libertarians.
Any question you asked me could be turned right around on you. Are you going to try and force your views on the TEA party movement?
Silly. Since when has the GOP been about fiscal issues, or on the correct side of them anyway? Now is the time to concentrated on removing the big spenders, big taxers, and tramplers of the constitution from office.
These MassResistance folks should sheathe their swords, and joint libertarian minded Tea Partiers to remove the worst fiscal offenders. Have they not noticed that doing so will remove most of those pushing a left wing social agenda?
Specifically, what are you talking about? Who is being endorsed that is gung ho on giving lawyers power to sue in the name of fascism? Then, is they guy/gal worse on this apparent issue than his/her opponent?
First, what group is seeking to deny people the right to representation? Just because you dont like your representation doesnt mean you are being denied representation.
Secondly, the tea party is not going in “that route,” so there really are only two reasons you would need to make statement with such false bravado. You either:
1) Want to be the first person to diss the tea party if they do change so you can look like you are ahead of the game
or
2) You dont like the tea party now (whether because you dont like fiscal conservatives or you think they dont like social conservatives)
Either way, you are projecting (a lib tactic) your opinion of a fiscal conservative onto an entire movement.
The issue was not about someone specific but about whether or not the TEA party should limit their stand on individual liberty to only certain issues. I do not believe that they should be limited but should stand for all issues concerning limited government and individual liberty.
On the issue of abortion the people are being denied a right to representation in defining when life begins. On the issue of gay marriage the left is pushing to deny people the right to representation on the definition of marriage and also on the issue of how sexuality is dealt with in public. On this issue the left seeks to use the Court to dictate to businesses what they must accept and to force their perverted morality on the people.
And you claim I am the first to take a stand? Read the thread and what issue it is raising. I am only responding to the thread. It claims that some in the TEA party movement are trying to limit how much it promotes individual liberty and limited government to only tax and spend issues.
I still don’t get the lawyers, lawsuits and fascism thing.
Taxed Enough Already = TEA Party
If we succeed in throttling the out of control spending and vastly reducing the scope and size of government, there won’t be money left over to fund abortions and the fight over government benefits that is the real issue for those living alternative lifestyles will be rendered irrelevant.
Already we are seeing lawsuit after lawsuit claiming that businesses discriminated based upon a person’s sexual behavior. The leftist agenda is to force their perverted morality on others. If they win this battle in the America in regards to redefining marriage it will create a boom of lawsuits thus empowering trial lawyers. The left will be able to continually push the envelope as to what types of behavior must be accepted by business and individuals. Thus they will further intertwine business and government in the sense that business will more and more fear the left-wing and left-wing political agendas will become more so important than simply making good business decisions. Thus we have more of the fascist agenda of politicizing the market.
Sorry but I do not agree. The left-wing already use the Courts to soak businesses and shake them down. If the TEA Party supports candidates who support the leftist agenda of denying the people the right to representation on the so-called social issues then nothing will change.
Any stance for rights have to include all of our rights not just pick and choose. Any candidate who supports denying people their rights on one issue will not stand strong on anyother issue for rights as well.
The coservative point of view will not be the only on represented. People forget that. One issue delegates will hold a CC in gridloack. The party in power holds the gavel, and they in turn would set the agenda. We don’t have the enlightment of the founders and to think so is naïve, let the sheer number of the population compared to this country’s founding would make it nearly impossible to find consensus. Just my opinion.
If the TEA party is going to be whatever people want it to be, the left has succeeded in defanging a potent movement that has frustrated them to no end.
A movement without leaders. An idea.
Statism wins.
As long as they can segregate us into groups and pit us against one another, they don’t even need to fight us. We will destroy the movement ourselves.
Yea well the left has been making claims of the end of conservatism for quite some time as well. Still going strong though. I have no fear of fighting it out with phony libertarians or RINOs. I am sure the TEA party movement will move on despite infiltration by RINOs and phony libertarians.
I don’t want to be in your TEA party if you are going to the one defining what the TEA party is. It’s as bad as the RINO’s attempting to jump on top and assuming they are the leader because they are Republicans.
There is room for many when we have a common goal of reducing government.
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