Check out butterdezillion's comments on this thread, especially # 47.
Duration of pregnancy, birth weight, and legitimacy are the 3 items required in the medical portion of the CDC’s Standard Birth Certificate for 1961. Everything required by the standard BC was also required by Hawaii law so no BC could be legally complete unless it contained those items.
Those items aren’t even printed on the long-form BC’s, much less the COLB’s, so Obama probably thought he could just add it to complete the BC and nobody would ever know. But the HDOH Administrative Rules say that any non-typo amendment made to the birth certificate has to be noted on any BC they print - including the abbreviated BC (COLB).
That’s why Obama had to make a forged COLB even though he could have a genuine one printed any time. The genuine COLB would have note that he added the birth weight in 2006. And he would have a 2006 BC#, because the BC was only completed when that birth weight was added.
And that missing birth weight is doubly problematic because it would have been so easy to resolve if Obama had actually been born in Hawaii. They had 30 days after the birth to get the baby to a doctor so that medical information could be added to complete the record. You’ve noted that as far as we can tell SAD was in Seattle 2 weeks after the birth. It’s still possible that she had the baby in Hawaii and then immediately traveled to Seattle. But if they went to the trouble of applying for a Hawaii BC for him I would think they’d have the baby examined so the BC could be completed - unless the child COULDN’T be examined by a Hawaii doctor because the baby wasn’t IN Hawaii, even during the 2 weeks before SAD was in Seattle.
Based on all the responses the HDOH has given, adding a birth weight is the only amendment that fits the responses. And it fits with other observed phenomena which I am not at liberty to reveal at this point.
I won’t reveal exactly what responses the HDOH have given which lead to this conclusion, because if the HDOH destroys the embedded transaction record for Obama’s file as they have destroyed other original evidence such as the original hand-written birth index for 1961 (or at least they claim it no longer exists), then the responses I’ve got on an external drive may be the only evidence left of what was REALLY done with his file. That is the danger when the fox guards the henhouse.
The fox IS guarding the henhouse and we all know it. That’s why it’s so outrageous that this passport FOIA response refers to records they imply may have been destroyed, even though such records are required to be permanent. At this point I think most of us realize that every government office is capable of breaking laws on Obama’s behalf, just as (so far) the Social Security Administration, Selective Service Administration, HDOH, and State Department have all apparently done - corrupting every official record that may exist for Obama.
Regarding Obama’s doctor in Chicago, his doctor at the time the amendment was made was David Scheiner, a Columbia University grad who protested the healthcare reform bill because it didn’t totally nationalize healthcare.
His partner is Quentin Young, one of the founders of the Democratic Socialists of America, which under the counsel of Francis Fox Piven (co-author of the Cloward-Piven Plan to overthrow America) morphed into The New Party in order to unite with the dems in an effort for the communists to take over the democratic party. Obama was a signed member of The New Party. As you probably know, Neil Abercrombie was also thick with the DSA. Quentin Young was at the party at Bill Ayers’ house where Obama was inducted into the Chicago political scene.
So no, I don’t believe that it is hyperbole to refer to Obama’s communist doctor. The communists in Chicago were all thick with each other, and that includes Obama’s doctor and his medical partner.
Based on the list of documents that can be used to furnish missing info on BC’s and the clues given by the HDOH’s own responses, I am almost certain that a page from a medical record was used to make this amendment.
We know that Obama used SOME kind of record to get into kindergarten, get his driver’s license, get a passport, etc. He didn’t have anything from Hawaii or Washington so it had to be from somewhere else. My suspicion is that Obama has a valid BC from wherever he was really born - whether that is Canada or Kenya. That BC was probably used to create a medical history for him which is in his medical file. By transferring the birth weight info from a Kenyan (for instance) BC to a medical file Obama’s doctor can “launder” the info so its original source is not known.
If you look in “Dreams” you’ll see that the details of Obama’s parents getting married, where they lived, etc are all very blurry. But there is one reference that is very concrete: the reference to Obama’s birth weight. If Obama and/or Ayers knew a birth weight for Obama it was from some other document besides the Hawaii BC if that was the item Obama amended. That would be evidence that there is a non-US birth certificate that SOMEBODY (specifically Obama, Ayers, and probably Scheiner & Young) has known all along.
Lucy, can you ping the list on this one?
Check out butterdezillion's comments on this thread, especially # 47.
As usual, butterdezillion, you have researched this to the nth degree. Thank you so much for the detailed answer.
What if Stanley Anne kept a baby book which has survived to this day? I kept baby books for my first childre — got to busy for the later ones. Even when I got busy, I recorded the birth weight and length for all of them. Obama has some old records that he referred to when “writing” Dreams. Is it possible that he picked up the birth weight from a baby book, rather than an official record?
Also, I have had some questions in the back of my mind about his birth weight. How tall is he? Around 6’2”? As I remember, his birthweight was in the 7 lb range and his length was in the 20 in. range. I think that is small for a child who grows to 6 ft. 2in. My oldest son (who was born about a month before Obama) is now 6’ 2” and was nearly 22 in. long at birth. Now it is possible that Obama was not full term, and that could account for the small size. Or not.
Doctors and political relationships. Ron Dellums was the SDS backed candidate for his first run for poliltical office in 1968 — Berkeley City Council. He was also Communist backed. I don’t like to call someone a Communist unless there is evidence, as there is in Dellums’ case, and Frank Marshall’s, and apparently these Chicago doctors. Again, thank you.
I've not read *Dreams* and don't remember anyone reporting on BO's birth weight. Is that info really in the book?
What an amazing person you are to have compiled all this information. Thank you.
A great big ol’ BTTT.
Anyone saying that people who think 0thugga is lying about his birth circumstances/place to cover up his ineligilibty are nuts, weirdos, kooks etc needs to read your comments.
I just saw a comment like that on another thread. I’m going to put a link to this comment there.
You prove that there is a “there” there.
butterdezillion, back then the hospitals gave new parents Certificates of Birth. and it had all that information on them. Height, weight, time of birth, doctor, etc. and a cute little foot print. With a gold seal on the certificate. I know because that is the time my children were born. I was nieve enough to think that, that was the actual Birth Certificate. It wasn't until a few years back I found out it wasn't so I had my daughter send for a Certified Birth Certificate. There is no height, weight, time of birth on the OFFICIAL ONE. Hospitals no longer give out those certificates.
Afraidfortherepublic, height and weight at birth have nothing to do with how tall someone will be. My son is 6 ft and he was only 5 lbs 8 oz and 19 inches long.
Another one of those things that make you go hmmmm.
Yep, I told you this index book was important. I'd really like to know exactly when they destroyed it.