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Posted on 07/08/2010 9:22:43 AM PDT by decimon
Says lower IQ rates will help it deal with smaller U.S. talent pool
The U.S. has arguably been the most desirable place in the world to get a college education with international students from China, India, Japan, and others all traveling to the U.S. with that express purpose. However, there's serious signs of trouble; U.S. citizens' college graduation rates are in danger of falling behind China. Japanese enrollment is down as U.S. universities are slowly falling out of favor. And at least one executive of an Indian firm complained that American graduates were "unemployable".
Adding to the list of awkward statistics is a recent announcement by Bleum Inc., a Chinese outsourcing company. In China, with a deluge of available highly-intelligent graduates, Bleum Inc. requires that its workers score over 140 on an IQ test.
When it decided to recruit American computer science graduates, though, it decided that bar was way too high. It dropped the requirement for the Americans down to 120, a move it says reflects a lower pool of talented college grads in the U.S.
Bleum says the move is meant as no affront to the U.S. Its founder and CEO Eric Rongley is actually an American himself. He says that in China his firm gets thousands of applications a week from eager college grads. With about 1,000 employees, his firm hires less than 1 percent of those who apply. He states, "It is much harder to get into Bleum than it is to Harvard."
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Thanks.
Don't feel lonely. On one thread I told someone I had a 141 IQ but didn't think I was a genious,misspelling genius:). I received about 15 comments on that one you can bet!
I’ve had young American engineering graduates who’ve used off-the-shelf multimeters with continuity indicator modes to “test” micro-ampere fuses, and then ruin the entire batch in the process. I’ve also had some of them make such poor circuit designs, violating even the most basic of design rules, such as keeping electrolytic capacitors right next to heat-emitting transformers, on the boards.
Something is certainly wrong in today’s colleges, and this will get increasingly apparent, over time.
You must have misinterpreted me. I don’t do any of THOSE things and I am big on Jesus. Took guts to willingly get crucified. And I know that institutions have rules.
I think you read my words wrong.
Almost classic. Classic would be that misspelling while questioning someone's intelligence.
Yep, I've seen that more than once when the grammar police show up and make mistakes when castigating some other FReeper for making one!
Sounds as if you have encountered the “pack mentality” of children. What you have to do is accept the fact that you may have to be a lone wolf for a while. Eventually, you’ll start your own pack. If Ms. Phoebe had only waited it out, if she had just not taken a permanent solution to a temporary problem, she would have come out strong on the other side. Point is, anyone different from the “pack” is suspect. You have to make sure you get the best preparation to be a leader of a “pack” someday. Don’t waste time licking old wounds or nurturing old grudges, you just move on and move up. Remember, the best revenge is living well.
I’ve been dealing with that attitude for the last year and a half.
It doesn’t help when you are applying for manual labour jobs. Not really sure what I should do, beyond actually taking off qualifications on my resume to appear less capable.
Irks me to no end. I can do the job, I’ve worked with many different kinds of folks. Wish I could get a foot in the door.
You are speaking to the external validity of the test, yes that can vary quite a bit. I’m sure that if China were giving the tests in Cantonese, Americans probably would score a little lower than their workers.
“Sounds as if you have encountered the “pack mentality” of children.”
Borne the brunt of it for a lot of my life. I think Phoebe’s case was where she couldn’t escape it. It was outside school as well.
“It’s strange to see kids with higher IQs and who don’t have a brain injury doing poorly in school,”
I remember a FReeper once asking why a major genius still lived with his mother. One other responded that the brains of geniuses are literally wired differently, to an extreme, as compared to a normal brain.
Needless to say, people with high I.Q.’s, literally live on another world, much like autistic people I would think.
“Borne the brunt of it for a lot of my life. I think Phoebe’s case was where she couldn’t escape it. It was outside school as well.”
It usually is. You don’t think those little lords of the flies would try it where someone might actually tell them to knock it off, do you? Children ARE cruel if not trained otherwise. That’s why God gave them parents. If, however, parents are otherwise occupied with the cares of an ever increasing burden of provision, requiring both to be away from home or out of touch with “looks a mother can read in a New York minute”, it’s apt to get out of control. Sounds like a lot of parents are going to be justifying a lot of behavior with Darwin’s survival of the fittest mentality, and poor Phoebe’s folks are going to be hurting for a long, long time. She couldn’t see that in escaping her pain, she left them to suffer for the rest of their lives.
I blame the bullies. I blame them for causing misery to Phoebe’s family. Not Phoebe. She couldn’t have been in her right mind and I don’t blame her. I don’t blame her one ounce. She simply wanted to get away and as far as I am concerned, the bullying monsters are to blame.
“If, however, parents are otherwise occupied with the cares of an ever increasing burden of provision, requiring both to be away from home or out of touch with “looks a mother can read in a New York minute”, it’s apt to get out of control. “
And the increasing pressure by parents to win win win no matter the means of doing so.
Also your health and alertness at the time can affect the results I believe.
“. We pulled her out of public and put her in private school with a reading program. She’s been in speech therapy since she was 2. Her speech is still delayed, but now she is reading above grade level.”
Bless you for doing that. My parents would have thrown me into a Special Ed program and then relegated me to a group home.
Which is what they did to me in high school and then shoved me into a group home after I went into a meltdown.
Smart people need to eat ,too;and some are quite willing to do whatever work is at hand.I read that Nikola Tesla worked digging ditches and similar labor when he first arrived in the U.S.;and all the while he had in his head the ideas that became the vast electrical power system that changed the world.
I think it may actually help to simplify one's resume to "graduated from school X" and emphasize work as similar as possible to the job one is seeking if you find yourself seeking(desperate) for just any work.I think it is better to keep working at something that keeps some money coming in while looking for that perfect spot..
>> I’m sure that if China were giving the tests in Cantonese
By ‘foreign’, I’m referring to any type of information that is not available at the time of evaluation.
Using your example, consider American born babies raised and educated along side their Chinese counterparts. Wouldn’t we expect a leveling of IQ scores?
I mentioned education and experience affect IQ scores, but neglected to mention that attitude can also effect results. Apathy, low self-esteem, or psychological stress can also lead to lower IQ scores. I think these factors are relevant.
So do I, but it’s difficult. They take a look and they keep asking why are you here?
I don’t fit in with their preconcieved notions.
I tell them, it’s honest work. Hire me, I’ll work hard for you until the contract is done.
I wouldn’t be surprised about Tesla. Einstein was a patent clerk too.
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