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New iPhone 4 problem: Camera crashes, takes down FaceTime
Silicon Beat ^ | June 28th, 2010 | Troy Wolverton

Posted on 07/05/2010 9:32:11 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier

You’ve heard about the yellow screen splotches and the wonky antenna that requires you to hold the new iPhone just right.

But now a new issue is coming to light: a faulty camera system that not only affects your ability to take pictures, it can foil your attempts to use FaceTime, the video chat feature that is the iPhone 4’s top talking point.

(Excerpt) Read more at siliconbeat.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: apple; camera; facetime; ilovebillgates; iphone; iwanthim; iwanthimbad; microsoftfanboys
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Ping! I assume you’ll keep it on the up and up?

You guys have already been having fun... and not keeping it on the up and up. Even the blogs reports are not telling the whole truth... such as the fact that the yellow stains have gone away. Why should I spoil it.

I think this camera issue is part of the roll out of the largest single sales of any phone in such a short time... and represents a tiny fraction of the number of iPhones out there. They will be repaired and/or replaced under warranty. It is not an endemic problem with all iPhone 4. Mine is working as advertised. No problems with either camera. Ergo, it is not an overall design or software issue. I suspect a batch of bad cameras, or perhaps a software installation issue on some iPhones. I don't know... but it will be resolved without your help and obfuscation of the issue.

I do find it interesting that the articles, as opposed to the help forums all start out essentially the same... Indicating to me either a source with the same talking points, or a singular source article.

81 posted on 07/05/2010 7:02:52 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: driftdiver
Apple.com is not a reputable source, sorry. I mean thats not adequate for the ‘arbitrary code execution’ problem, so its hardly going to be sufficient in this case.

Oh? Since they are the source of your "arbitrary code execution" then why not GIVE IT A REST???

While you are at it, please give us an example of such an "arbitrary code execution" in the wild on an iPhone, iPad, or Mac. Please?

82 posted on 07/05/2010 7:04:55 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: BunnySlippers
The Trolls are at it again.

Yes, they certainly are... as near as I can tell, it's another minor issue on a small number of phones. Mine is working fine.

83 posted on 07/05/2010 7:07:05 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier; driftdiver; for-q-clinton; BunnySlippers
Hmmm... I read somewhere a post that stated "You should cc when alluding to him.". I wish that person would follow their own advice...;)

Are you admitting to being a Troll??? Or are you referring to driftdiver, or for-q-clinton? It not, I did not see anyone mentioned by name in that post. However, if the shoe fits, wear it.

84 posted on 07/05/2010 7:09:27 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker
It is not an endemic problem with all iPhone 4. Mine is working as advertised. No problems with either camera. Ergo, it is not an overall design or software issue.

That's a false conclusion. Have you tested all the corner cases depending upon applications loaded, memory usage, or other resource consumption? Until then you cannot rule out a software issue.

Software testing is more than just "works on my phone"... It means actually defining and testing those corner cases, those cases that cause things like this failure.

I think some of the articles and posts about this problem are probably correct; the lens jams, and the software doesn't know how to handle defective hardware so the software hangs. That would be a case of inadequate testing of the software - a real live bug. Any time your software path requires a response from hardware, you need to test the "hardware not present/returns bad value" cases and confirm your software handles it gracefully. Otherwise things just lock up.

85 posted on 07/05/2010 7:10:16 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Swordmaker
Yes, they certainly are...

Thanks for clearing me as a troll, and also anyone else in this thread, since - as you just posted above - it's not nice to talk about someone without CCing them on the post. And clearly you would not do that. So it must be those phantasmic trolls once again!

Or does that rule only apply to non-Apple fanatics?

86 posted on 07/05/2010 7:12:18 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
One of the biggest problems when rolling out an OS is the backwards compatibility; as that has not been a strong suit for Apple in the past, maybe that’s the source of this inconsistent behavior - their relative inexperience with backwards compatibility on a widely varying product line? Just a guess why you don’t have a problem and someone else in this very thread does...

You again make assumptions that are not based in fact. Apple provided backwards compatibility for a period of time necessary for most people to migrate to the new. They did not guarantee that it would be forever. It gave time for the software publishers time to port their products into the newer environments... and Apple provided the tools to do it. FIVE YEARS after the transition from Mac OS9 to the UNIX based OSX, Apple finally pulled the plug on the Classic emulation... which ran the older software faster than the native machines ran it. If you needed it, you could retain a PowerPC Mac with an install of Tiger and keep running Classic if you so wish. Again, you don't run those apps... so what is it to you???

87 posted on 07/05/2010 7:23:26 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
One of the biggest problems when rolling out an OS is the backwards compatibility; as that has not been a strong suit for Apple in the past, maybe that’s the source of this inconsistent behavior - their relative inexperience with backwards compatibility on a widely varying product line? Just a guess why you don’t have a problem and someone else in this very thread does...

You again make assumptions that are not based in fact. Apple provided backwards compatibility for a period of time necessary for most people to migrate to the new. They did not guarantee that it would be forever. It gave time for the software publishers time to port their products into the newer environments... and Apple provided the tools to do it. FIVE YEARS after the transition from Mac OS9 to the UNIX based OSX, Apple finally pulled the plug on the Classic emulation... which ran the older software faster than the native machines ran it. If you needed it, you could retain a PowerPC Mac with an install of Tiger and keep running Classic if you so wish. Again, you don't run those apps... so what is it to you???

88 posted on 07/05/2010 7:23:31 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

A lot of my tools are much more than 5 years old; some are pushing 20 years old. The Apple model of 5 years for backward compatibility doesn’t cut it. But that would be someone other than you, and as we’ve consistently seen, if it doesn’t affect your use of Apple products it’s a non-issue.

So if you want to claim 5 years of backward compatibility is fine, so be it. However, it’s a LOT easier to support a 5 year old program/piece of hardware than one that is 10 to 15 years old. Apple simply doesn’t have the depth of experience in backwards compatibility that the various Unix/Linux vendors and Microsoft have. Little corner cases get overlooked because it’s not part of the culture to consider them, and you end up with the mix we see on even relatively little hardware differentiation over the last 3 years.


89 posted on 07/05/2010 7:36:31 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; 50mm; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; ...
Apparently some iPhone 4s are having camera problems. PING!

Please don't feed the Anti-Apple Trolls!


Apple iPhone 4 camera issue Ping!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

90 posted on 07/05/2010 8:02:35 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Heir Jobs has yet to provide us with proper nagging alerts for emails and text messages,

Seems I have some pretty nagging alerts for email and such on iOS 4 on my 3G....ooopps there goes one now...

91 posted on 07/05/2010 8:28:22 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: Swordmaker
I suspect a batch of bad cameras,

That's the latest I've heard over the holiday weekend...glad I waited for the next production run...mine will be in this week...

92 posted on 07/05/2010 8:31:50 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: Niteflyr

Nagging? As in continues making noises until I’ve seen the message? Is it possible to have a different sound for a nag alert than the first alert?

If so, that’s a very welcome new feature in iOS4 that I haven’t heard about. I haven’t installed it on my 3G because I’ve heard it’s slow.


93 posted on 07/05/2010 8:42:25 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: Swordmaker
Hi Sword, thanks for the ping.

I do get the impression that Apple rushed the rollout on this product. There are a lot of things that -- to someone who has done a lot of product rollouts -- have the scent of issues that somebody hoped wouldn't turn out to be too bad, but did.

I don't think the iPhone4 will die over this -- the product seems basically sound and I'm betting that a revised release will appear soon to address the issues.

Nevertheless, IMO some heads ought to roll at Apple or its subcontractors, over the way this was done. Let's see what happens.

94 posted on 07/05/2010 8:45:46 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier; BunnySlippers
That would be interesting in a Mac and PC thread; as this is an iPhone thread, perhaps this ACSI rating would be more appropriate for review?

Apple tied with Nokia, Samsung, and Motorola (the big 3 of cell phones), and all 4 are slightly under the market average. Of course, that's not quite the meme you are trying to convey, is it?

Uh, no, that chart is totally worthless to say or determine what you claim it says about Apple. ACSI has lumped Apple in with "All Others" and merely reports the average rating for the aggregate group. Apple could be two or three sigmas either way from that average, and this chart cannot show it. Apple's data are simply not extractable or determinable from this chart. Worthless noise in this discussion.

Have you ever taken a course in critical thinking, logic, or statistics? I don't think you have. I used to tutor in two of those subjects.

95 posted on 07/05/2010 8:47:44 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker
Have you ever taken a course in critical thinking, logic, or statistics? I don't think you have. I used to tutor in two of those subjects.

So much for keeping it on the up-and-up. But personal attacks are your specialty, aren't they Swordmaker? Just have to be the trolling hater...

96 posted on 07/05/2010 8:51:54 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Nagging? As in continues making noises until I’ve seen the message? Is it possible to have a different sound for a nag alert than the first alert? If so, that’s a very welcome new feature in iOS4 that I haven’t heard about. I haven’t installed it on my 3G because I’ve heard it’s slow.

I did the upgrade and default are email, text message, facebook etc. alerts...they weren't there before...far as I know they continue until you open them. And the only thing slow I can tell is the upgrade...had to do a restore instead of and update and reload apps...click and drag the music library. But seems to run as fast as ever now...love the folders...and the new way mail is handled...

97 posted on 07/05/2010 8:52:23 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: Niteflyr

I’m going to upgrade my 3g after I get my new iphone tomorrow...if I’ve got one of the slow ones, I’ll knock it back down again. Apparently, it’s luck of the draw somehow whether you see a performance hit or not.


98 posted on 07/05/2010 8:55:13 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Nagging? As in continues making noises until I’ve seen the message? Is it possible to have a different sound for a nag alert than the first alert?

Since alerts aren't important to me I didn't go into settings to see what the parameters are yet. Just saying there are now default alerts that weren't there in OS 3...

99 posted on 07/05/2010 8:56:53 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
I’m going to upgrade my 3g after I get my new iphone tomorrow...if I’ve got one of the slow ones, I’ll knock it back down again. Apparently, it’s luck of the draw somehow whether you see a performance hit or not.

Yeah I saw no performance degradation at all with iOS 4 upgrade on my 3G...I swear it is actually a little faster if anything.

100 posted on 07/05/2010 8:59:02 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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