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Democrat Pollsters: MSM & Obama Deluded If They Believe Americans Want ObamaCare
Flopping Aces ^ | 03-13-10 | Curt

Posted on 03/13/2010 11:00:48 AM PST by Starman417

Patrick H. Caddell, political commentator and former pollster along with Douglas E. Schoen, a pollster, and the author of The Political Fix: Changing the Game of American Democracy, from the Grassroots to the White Housewrote an op-ed in the Washington Post describing how deluded the media and Democrat politicians have become on ObamaCare:

Their blind persistence in the face of reality threatens to turn this political march of folly into an electoral rout in November. In the wake of the stinging loss in Massachusetts, there was a moment when the president and the Democratic leadership seemed to realize the reality of the health-care situation. Yet like some seductive siren of Greek mythology, the lure of health-care reform has arisen again.

As pollsters to the past two Democratic presidents, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, respectively, we feel compelled to challenge the myths that seem to be prevailing in the political discourse and to once again urge a change in course before it is too late. At stake is the kind of mainstream, common-sense Democratic Party that we believe is crucial to the success of the American enterprise.

Bluntly put, this is the political reality:

First, the battle for public opinion has been lost. Comprehensive health care has been lost. If it fails, as appears possible, Democrats will face the brunt of the electorate's reaction. If it passes, however, Democrats will face a far greater calamitous reaction at the polls. Wishing, praying or pretending will not change these outcomes.

Nothing has been more disconcerting than to watch Democratic politicians and their media supporters deceive themselves into believing that the public favors the Democrats' current health-care plan. Yes, most Americans believe, as we do, that real health-care reform is needed. And yes, certain proposals in the plan are supported by the public.

However, a solid majority of Americans opposes the massive health-reform plan. Four-fifths of those who oppose the plan strongly oppose it, according to Rasmussen polling this week, while only half of those who support the plan do so strongly. Many more Americans believe the legislation will worsen their health care, cost them more personally and add significantly to the national deficit. Never in our experience as pollsters can we recall such self-deluding misconstruction of survey data.

They describe the lastest Obama salvo as nothing more then fighting the last war...not the new one. The last one is lost already and they have so deluded themselves, so insulated themselves, they can't even see the cliff approaching:

Read more at floppingaces.net...


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: bias; msm; obamacare; polls

1 posted on 03/13/2010 11:00:48 AM PST by Starman417
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To: Starman417

Part of the presidential oath,” . . . promise to preserve, protect and defend the constitution . . . “ If Hussein Obama allows the Obamacare bill to be passed without an up or down vote in the U.S. House, and signs the bill, he is guilty of
failing to preserve the Constitution of the U.S. As such, he should have impeachment charges initiated against him immediately after placing his signature of a bill that was never voted upon in the U.S. House.


2 posted on 03/13/2010 11:15:02 AM PST by Mr. Wright ( in)
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To: Starman417

Part of the presidential oath,” . . . promise to preserve, protect and defend the constitution . . . “ If Hussein Obama allows the Obamacare bill to be passed without an up or down vote in the U.S. House, and signs the bill, he is guilty of
failing to preserve the Constitution of the U.S. As such, he should have impeachment charges initiated against him immediately after placing his signature of a bill that was never voted upon in the U.S. House.


3 posted on 03/13/2010 11:15:24 AM PST by Mr. Wright ( in)
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To: Starman417

It’s an infantile test of wills involving three of the most individually dysfunctional people in the world - put together they are a holy terror of petulance, demagoguery and mendacity.


4 posted on 03/13/2010 11:15:48 AM PST by relictele
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To: Starman417

As Rush says, he doesn’t CARE. Anyone that believes these liars care about their health is one brain cell shy of a rock!

How can anyone with a brain think that Pelosi, the Fuhrer, Reid et al. gives a damn about their health. Pelosi won’t take calls in her DC cave. Her staffers hang up as do Boxer and Feinstein’s. Boxer’s staff immediately throw your calls into a VM that they probably ERASE every ten minutes.

Other RATs in DC have admitted they don’t give a damn what their Constituents want. It’s all about power and subjugation of the American people.


5 posted on 03/13/2010 11:19:34 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: Starman417

Does anyone really think Bo and the administration care what the people want?....it isn’t about us, nor about bills passed to “accommodate” the peoples needs...it is about their agenda, power and intentions to change the face of our country to socialism at any cost....the agenda is a destructive course and they are quite aware it is so...so they care not of our opinions. But they cannot say we are not fighting them!


6 posted on 03/13/2010 11:21:20 AM PST by caww
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To: Starman417
I'm not at all convinced the congressional Democrats, much less, President Obama, are 'deluded'. They know that the passing of 'ObamaCare' will get the government's hooks into the lives of almost all American citizens and push us - hard - toward a nascent-but-inevitable authoritarian government with enormous power over our daily lives, not to mention our bank accounts.

As many have previously stated, the Democrats are more than willing to forfeit control of congress or a second term for Obama to achieve that socialist Valhalla.

If they succeed, we're screwed. Pray for America.

7 posted on 03/13/2010 11:22:32 AM PST by Jim Scott
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To: Starman417

that part...about all enemies...foreign and domestic...is just about now starting to kick in...who’d a thunk the “domestic” part would include BOTH member of the legislative AND executive branches!!!


8 posted on 03/13/2010 11:23:41 AM PST by mo
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To: Starman417
From a strong, prosperous, and liberty-loving Constitutional Republic to a petty and tyrannical dictatorship--all in one election!

"Found in: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, vol. 4 (Novanglus, Thoughts on Government, Defence of the Constitution) - NO. III. - paragraph 144

"Obsta principiis, nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers, and destroyers press upon them so fast, that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon the American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour. The revenue creates pensioners, and the pensioners urge for more revenue. The people grow less steady, spirited, and virtuous, the seekers more numerous and more corrupt, and every day increases the circles of their dependents and expectants, until virtue, integrity, public spirit, simplicity, and frugality, become the objects of ridicule and scorn, and vanity, luxury, foppery, selfishness, meanness, and downright venality swallow up the whole society."

9 posted on 03/13/2010 11:28:32 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: ExTexasRedhead

“It’s all about power and subjugation of the American people.”

Plus insurance company money and open promises of lucrative jobs once they leave government jobs.

Any way, I changed my mind. I am now for ObamaFascistCare. The five people in doctor’s coats standing with Obama did it for me.


10 posted on 03/13/2010 11:29:40 AM PST by Shermy
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To: relictele

Nice succinct summary.


11 posted on 03/13/2010 11:29:51 AM PST by bigbob
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To: relictele

I’ve been listening to Pelosi speak, and she is sounding less and less normal. I don’t know if the stress is unhinging her or if she is self medicating. [Not alcohol; Valium or something like it.] Sooner or later something’s going to give. She can’t keep on deteriorating without it becoming more broadly evident, imho.


12 posted on 03/13/2010 11:33:22 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Starman417

Defeat Obamacare call list: List now contains the new MAYBES culled from FR posts.
PLEASE CALL! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE State District

Code Red” - House Target List on Health Care

The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obama’s announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the “fixer” bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.

Rep. Lincoln Davis 202-225-6831 Columbia office: 931-490-8699
Rep. Jim Cooper 202-225-4311 Nashville office: 615-736-5295
Rep. Bart Gordon 202-225-4231 Murfreesboro office: 615-896-1986
John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (MAYBE)
Rep. Steve Cohen 202-225-3265 Memphis office: 901-544-4131
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075 MI 7th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
James Matheson Toll-Free Number 1 (877) 677-9743 (202) 225-3011Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District

Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE
Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928,
Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304 (MAYBE)

On the Bubble (Major developments from the “yes” and “no” columns in the House)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2467046/posts
Congressional Dems on Twitter
http://www.arrghpaine.com/congressional-dems-on-twitter


13 posted on 03/13/2010 11:38:42 AM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: Mr. Wright; ExTexasRedhead

Like our enemy in the middle east, it is permissible to tell any lie to achieve the end game.


14 posted on 03/13/2010 11:39:59 AM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: Starman417

It’s not about health care. It’s about communism and slavery. Total control of the population by the government. We’re in heap big trouble.


15 posted on 03/13/2010 11:43:53 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (A proud American-American since 1949.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

The final battle has arrived.

News reports suggest that the Congress will vote on Obamacare by next Sunday.

President Obama has even delayed his foreign trip to Asia until then.

An internal Democrat memo that has been leaked tells House staffers to keep their “member’s schedule pretty clear for next weekend. They will either be here or exhausted (or both).”

The memo adds, ominously: “At this point, we have to just rip the band-aid off and have a vote — up or down.”

This is the week!

Obama-Pelosi want Obamacare passed by Friday or Saturday.

Our Washington sources say Democrats will likely vote late — in the dead of the night on the weekend — as they have done with other key votes.

They vote in darkness because they are ashamed of their votes.

But we at the League of American Voters are shining our powerful light on their evil deeds.

Dick Morris, the League’s chief strategist, says we CAN stop Obamacare.

He says the Democrats do not yet have a lock on the votes, otherwise they would have voted in Obamacare weeks ago.

Every day that goes by — every time the League runs a TV ad — support for the radical Obamacare plan with its $1 trillion in costs weakens.

But Dick Morris says we must continue to run our ads.

Thanks to your help, we are now running TV ads in 23 Congressional districts — “swing” districts where polls show voters overwhelmingly OPPOSE Obamacare.

You can see our powerful TV ad Dick Morris created — Go Here Now.

But Dick says we need to expand the campaign to shut down Obamacare. We urgently need to add 7 Congressional districts to our list — so we can now target 30 swing Congressmen.

We need to do this now — Help Us to Stop Obamacare — Go Here Now.

Obama-Pelosi and their henchman are in a desperate panic.

Right now Obama-Pelosi know they don’t have the votes.

So they’re working feverishly to secure secret, private deals with key Congressmen.

Obama-Pelosi are threatening, promising and doing whatever it takes to snap the liberal troops in line for Obamacare.

One such Congressman, Jim Matheson of Utah, recently moved from a solid “No” to “Undecided.” He met Obama at the White House, and “sha-zam,” Chicago-style Obama nominated Matheson’s brother to a federal judgeship.

As if to tell the rest of Congress what you get if you’re on Team Obama, the White House even issued a press release to tout.

Bottom line: They will stop at nothing to pass their radical healthcare plan. But We Can Stop Them.

The League of American Voters is airing a new TV ad on Salt Lake City television, in the middle of Matheson’s district, holding his feet to the fire.

The ad poses the question:

“Our Congressman Jim Matheson voted against Obama’s health care proposals and Salt Lake City is saying thanks. He voted against cutting Medicare by $500 billion, against health care rationing, against higher taxes. But then Obama appointed his brother to a federal judgeship. Some people say it was bribe to get Jim to change his vote. Was it? We’ll be able to tell if Jim now switches his vote. Hey Jim, we’ll be watching!”

This ad, which costs $77,000 to run, is indicative of the hand-to-hand warfare going in district after district over the health care bill.

The League of American Voters is at the forefront of efforts to stop Obamacare.

Since last August, because of your generous support, the League has been able to turn back the forces of Obamacare every step of the way. We’re now in the final fight.

The vote will happen very soon. We can STOP Obamacare but we need to apply maximum pressure.

EVERY Congressman we are targeting faces strong opposition from their own constituents who don’t want Obamacare.

That’s why Obama-Pelosi are so desperate for a vote NEXT WEEK -— and will lie to and bully anyone who stands in their way.


16 posted on 03/13/2010 11:52:06 AM PST by Mr. Wright ( in)
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To: Starman417

Ouch


17 posted on 03/13/2010 11:52:51 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: All

Let’s get and keep our voices raised on-air through this nationwide ad campaign that, IMHO, is well worth donating a few bucks to:

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/


18 posted on 03/13/2010 12:03:28 PM PST by fightinJAG (Massa = Obambi's poster boy for repealing DADT)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

>>How can anyone with a brain think that Pelosi, the Fuhrer, Reid et al. gives a damn about their health.<<

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They definitely do care for their own health. IT’S OURS THAT THEY DON’T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT.
Don’t you see the insidiousness of it all? What is good enough for you and me, Obama Hellcare, is considered not good enough for them.


19 posted on 03/13/2010 12:09:17 PM PST by 353FMG (What can Islam possibly contribute to the West other than its very destruction?)
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To: Mr. Wright
They do not care about The Constitution!

Is there anyone here who can say with certainty that the marxists, once they have sufficient power, will let any law stand in their way?

We are witnessing a coup, best we stop seeing things any other way.

20 posted on 03/13/2010 12:19:11 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT,NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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