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Being born in the United States does not even make one a 'NATIVE' citizen.
nobarack08 | Feb 12, 2010 | syc1959

Posted on 02/12/2010 12:35:44 PM PST by syc1959

Being born in the United States does not even make one a 'NATIVE' citizen.

Immigration and Citizenship: Process and Policy fourth edition Under Jus Soli, the following is written "The Supreme Court's first holding on the sublect suggested that the court would give a restrictive reading to the phrase, potentially disqualifing significant number of persons born within the physical boundries of the nation. In Elk v. Wilkins 112 U.S. 94, 5 S.CT. 41, 28 L.ED. 643 (1884), the court ruled that native Indians were not U.S. citizens, even if they later severed their ties with their tribes. The words "subject to the jurisdiction thereof," the court held, mean "not merely subjct in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiange." Most Indians could not meet the test. "Indians born within the territorial limits of the United States, members of, and owing immediate allegiance to, one of the Indian Tribes, (an alien through dependent power,) although in a geographical sense born in the United States, are no more 'born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,'*** then the children of subjects of any foreign government born within the domain of that government ***. Id. at 102. It continues that Congress eventually passed legislation with the 'Allotment Act of 1887, that conferred citizenship on many Indians.

The fact remains, the Court held, complete and sole Jurisdiction. As I have held that being born anywhere in the United States, jurisdiction is required, sole and complete, and Barack Hussein Obama was already claimed by British jurisdiction under the British Nationailty Act of 1948, and as such fails the United states Constitutional requirement of a Natural Born Citizen.

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Barack Hussein Obama did not have sole jurisdiction under the United States.

Title 8 and the 14th Amendment clearlt state the following;

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof

Note: 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof'


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: barack; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; citizen; illegal; nativeborncitizen; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; obama; undocumented
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To: EnderWiggins

“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied.
“That is mine, too,” said Leahy
-Homeland Security SecretaryMichael Chertoff and Senator Patrick Leahy, (April 03, 2008)

Now, remind everyone here...wasn’t Obama’s daddy a foreigner? Doesn’t that make him NOT have American parents. Note the plural.


81 posted on 02/12/2010 2:11:04 PM PST by syc1959
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To: syc1959

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

There you go. Seal, date stamp, registrar’s signature, certificate number... the whole works.


82 posted on 02/12/2010 2:11:15 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins
I have scores of Birth Certificates in my Family History Files. Not a single one of them shows the citizenship of the parents.

Fact: A Hawaii "Birth Certificate" of Barack's claimed year of birth would reveal the hospital of his birth, and citizenship of his parents.

Fact: There is no logical reason on earth for Barack Obama to hold back this birth record that would provide this needed citizenship information.

What does seem logical at this point is that Barack is "pleading the fifth" so as to not incriminate himself in criminal activity. He has already sworn in election documents that he is a natural born citizen.

Your assessment that this is a racist issue is far from the truth. This issue is solely an issue on whether or not the constitution is the supreme law of the land or not. To Barack Obama the constitution may as well be a piece of toilet paper by how he has treated the people who wish to verify that he is indeed a natural born citizen by viewing this piece of evidence called a birth certificate!

83 posted on 02/12/2010 2:11:56 PM PST by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: syc1959

Why would I need to learn French to read the United States Constitution?


84 posted on 02/12/2010 2:12:46 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: hondact200

Drat! You caught me! LOL!

See? Not that hard to fake a COLB.

Cheers


85 posted on 02/12/2010 2:13:22 PM PST by DoctorBulldog
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To: EnderWiggins

I thought they were the SAME document. It appears that they are not one and the same, again proving multiple version of a forged document.

DailyKos - no seal, signiture
FTS - no seal, signiture
factCheck #1 - no seal, signiture
factcheck #2 - seal
factcheck 3# - no seal, signiture

Wow, again proving criminal activity bt team Obama


86 posted on 02/12/2010 2:13:33 PM PST by syc1959
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To: DoctorBulldog
Ahhh... but Jefferson was different. He was not born a dual citizen with France. He was a naturalized French citizen, and he naturalized after the War of Independence as an adult, just a few months before the Constitution was written.

So much for the Framer's concern with "dual allegiances." They even voted for him.
87 posted on 02/12/2010 2:16:13 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: IMR 4350
No, I am saying that US law supersedes UK law and the US dictates who is and who is not a US citizen.

Are your saying that UK law supersedes US law and the UK dictates who is and who is not a US citizen?

88 posted on 02/12/2010 2:17:59 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: syc1959
"Now, remind everyone here...wasn’t Obama’s daddy a foreigner?"

Yep.

"Doesn’t that make him NOT have American parents. Note the plural."

Yep.

But that's okay because he was born in Hawaii.
89 posted on 02/12/2010 2:18:43 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins

You didn’t have to look again, nor is it likely that you did. The phrase ‘natural born citizen’ is a special phrase in that section of the Constitution, and must be interpreted as a special more exclusionary requirement than simple citizenship.

As you read it, as I understand, it loses all special meaning.


90 posted on 02/12/2010 2:19:05 PM PST by bvw
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To: EnderWiggins

HI Attorney General’s office refuses to corroborate Obama’s HI Birth

WHY?


91 posted on 02/12/2010 2:19:25 PM PST by syc1959
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To: Las Vegas Ron

RACISM?

Freaking disgusting criminal insanity to say or think that.


92 posted on 02/12/2010 2:20:17 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: EnderWiggins

DUH

Born in Hawaii to a foreign daddy?


93 posted on 02/12/2010 2:20:19 PM PST by syc1959
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To: EnderWiggins

Under oath and cross examination, and subject to penalties for perjury — who has so testified that Obama was born in Hawaii?


94 posted on 02/12/2010 2:20:59 PM PST by bvw
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To: missnry
"Fact: A Hawaii "Birth Certificate" of Barack's claimed year of birth would reveal the hospital of his birth, and citizenship of his parents."

No. Hawaiian Birth certificates have never had the parent's citizenship on them. Ever. Not the long form. Not the short form. Not any form in between.

"Fact: There is no logical reason on earth for Barack Obama to hold back this birth record that would provide this needed citizenship information."

You mean, other than the fact that "this needed citizenship information" would not be there at all? That logical reason?
95 posted on 02/12/2010 2:22:09 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: syc1959
"I thought they were the SAME document. It appears that they are not one and the same, again proving multiple version of a forged document."

They are the identical document.

Your problem here appears to be that you don't know a whole lot about photography.
96 posted on 02/12/2010 2:24:06 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins

What better way to prosecute Barack Hussein Obama for treason, fraud, criminal fraud, and a host of other charges, then demnanding he produce the evidence against himself.

He’s the one that stated he was qualified, knoweing full well that he was not eligible.


97 posted on 02/12/2010 2:25:25 PM PST by syc1959
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To: bvw
"The phrase ‘natural born citizen’ is a special phrase in that section of the Constitution, "

No it's not.

It is a well known and well used term of English common law that goes back more than 300 years prior to the Constitution. And its meaning was always well know. Especially to the lawyers of the federal Convention (over half of the delegates).

"and must be interpreted as a special more exclusionary requirement than simple citizenship."

And it is. It excludes naturalized citizens.
98 posted on 02/12/2010 2:27:04 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: anotherview
Funny that someone with your background would defend a muzzie usurper that hates Jews. I was amazed and perplexed that Hussein captured the majority of the Jewish vote in states like New York and Florida. I'm beginning to see how the Holocaust happened. I guess 0bamaunist sympathizers come in every stripe.
99 posted on 02/12/2010 2:27:44 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Pork Eating CRUSADER - FUBO! Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: syc1959

Because it would be against the law.


100 posted on 02/12/2010 2:27:45 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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