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Neither Sword Nor Shield: Full-Spectrum Civilian Disarmament
ProLibertate ^ | January 3, 2010 | William Norman Grigg

Posted on 01/06/2010 6:24:00 AM PST by Travis McGee

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Great essay from a great blog.
1 posted on 01/06/2010 6:24:06 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; ApesForEvolution; aragorn; archy; ArmedSkeptic; backhoe; ...
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2 posted on 01/06/2010 6:25:02 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

—bflr—


3 posted on 01/06/2010 6:26:58 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Travis McGee

Was Diallo before or after the guy they used a broomstick on?


4 posted on 01/06/2010 6:34:18 AM PST by budwiesest (It's that girl from Alaska, again.)
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To: Travis McGee

Slaves are not allowed to have weapons. That is for free people. Most of the people who live in the United States have sold their soul and birthright to the government, or are willing to, so the government will take care of them from the cradle to the grave. They abhor the avtual thought of having to be responsible for providing for themselves.

This was evidenced by the election of Democrats in 2006 to Congress and in 2008 to theoffice of President and Congress.


5 posted on 01/06/2010 6:39:11 AM PST by sport
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To: Travis McGee
When it all hits the fan, I would hope that I could stand alongside the local cops and fight to preserve my community from looters and roving bands of trouble-makers. Times may get really, really ugly and I want to be friends with the police in such a time. They will need all the help they can get.

On the other hand, if the cops get it into their heads that disarming citizens is the most important task, then the number of people who view cops as enemies is going to rapidly increase.

6 posted on 01/06/2010 6:40:37 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We have the 1st so that we can call on people to rebel. We have 2nd so that they can.)
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To: Travis McGee

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage then to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”

Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in "On Crimes and Punishment", 1764

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyrany in government.”

Thomas Jefferson

7 posted on 01/06/2010 6:45:54 AM PST by Mikey (He that refuses to know and exert his rights, doesn't deserve them.)
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To: Travis McGee

Police are the original and first welfare agency. You should guard and protect your self and your own property, or pay to have it done. The more stuff, land the more you should pay. If you own a lot of stuff, land you are wealthy and no one should subsidies your protection. If you can not afford, or can not do it, or both, you should make social relations with some one who can ( this used to be one of the skill sets, and values of young men. Now since usurped by the Police bureaucracy just as welfare, Section 8, WIC, Medicade had devalued the young male as a provider . )


8 posted on 01/06/2010 6:51:12 AM PST by Leisler (We don't need a third party we need a conservative second party.)
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To: budwiesest

After.
It was just another in a long line of NYPD mistakes or outright violations.


9 posted on 01/06/2010 6:54:22 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: ClearCase_guy

Cops love crime, rules, regulations. It gives them busy, unproductive work.

I would like to see no cops, no courts for a couple of years. Let the thieves, rapist, murders go, or try to go on a rampage. And, let me and my neighbors kill them, burn their houses to the ground, chase them from one end of the county to the next, were I will trade info lists with that county’s men.

In six months two or three generations of scum will be dead, and there will be little crime until for another ten-fifteen years.

Cops protect criminals........from me and those like me.


10 posted on 01/06/2010 6:55:49 AM PST by Leisler (We don't need a third party we need a conservative second party.)
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To: Leisler

I like the way you think. I really do.


11 posted on 01/06/2010 6:58:08 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We have the 1st so that we can call on people to rebel. We have 2nd so that they can.)
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To: budwiesest

Abner Louima anally assaulted with a broomstick on August 9, 1997.

Amadou Diallo was gunned down on February 4, 1999.


12 posted on 01/06/2010 7:02:02 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Travis McGee
Great essay from a great blog.

I agree.

And I am appalled that I do agree.

After nearly 30 years of military and law enforcement experience, I have come to the belief and position that cops are useless, ineffective, usually functioning as a revenue tool of a dysfunctional municipality, overly aggressive based on their personal egos, and a downright threat to our rights and even our lives and families.

I have come to regard our law enforcement officials as the "enemy", rather than the friends that I was taught they were in my youth.

They have been exalted to a lofty position, usually by themselves, that places them in a mindset reminiscent of a Gestapo.

To even speak out or offer a gentle reproach or criticism earns one the scrutiny of the powers that be.

I have had personal encounters that shock and horrify me.

Their arrogance, their attitude of "I have the POWER!", and the "Respect my authoritah!" exuberance is downright disgusting.

I was stopped at a DUI checkpoint the other day...middle of the day, by the way...and the attitude and demeanor of the deputy was instantly arrogant, aggressive and in my opinion, harassing and demeaning.

When I refused to discuss my destination and origin with him, he escalated it to wanting to search my vehicle, which, of course, escalated it to me being even more determined to foil his Gestapo crap.

All of my "papers" were in order, and of course, I spoke the "lingo", i.e., knowing what "PC" is and being able to rationally discuss the situation without getting red in the face and backing up 6 feet and placing my hand on my gun, as did he.

Stupid ass bubba is what he was.

But I digress.

The police are out of control.

We need to start over with them or something.

Perhaps another Peelian Reform?

Oh, wait, that's what got us into this crap in the first place.

13 posted on 01/06/2010 7:05:45 AM PST by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and Obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: Travis McGee
Last November, a measure went into effect in Oklahoma that makes it a felony, punishable by a five-year prison term and a $10,000 fine, to "fortify" a home "for the purpose of preventing or delaying entry or access by a law enforcement officer."

This is bullshit. I'll fortify my home and take this to court. I'll kill any man that tries to breach my home with my family in it.

14 posted on 01/06/2010 7:11:19 AM PST by DCBryan1 (wake me when the shooting starts....then I will go feed the hogs.)
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To: Travis McGee

The NYPD has been a wholly owned subsidiary of the democrat party since it was formed.


15 posted on 01/06/2010 7:14:14 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: DCBryan1
Note the Bill was introduced by a Republican.
16 posted on 01/06/2010 7:16:32 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Travis McGee

The old statist view that everyone is a subject to the state and not the state is subordinate to the people. Communism.

Reminds me to be home early for a delivery of my anti-Communist material.


17 posted on 01/06/2010 7:16:47 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Travis McGee
This was the real WTF for me:

Last November, a measure went into effect in Oklahoma that makes it a felony, punishable by a five-year prison term and a $10,000 fine, to "fortify" a home "for the purpose of preventing or delaying entry or access by a law enforcement officer."

Under the measure, written by Republican (natch) State Representative Sue Tibbs, it is impermissible to "construct, install, position, use or hold any material or device designed ... to strengthen, defend, restrict or obstruct any door, window, or other opening into a dwelling, structure, building or other place to any extent beyond the security provided by a commercial alarm system, lock or deadbolt, or a combination of alarm, lock, or deadbolt."

So if I live in a high crime area and want bars or steel shutters on my windows - if I'm preparing for SHTF Day and fortifying my home - if I have a panic room - if I like concrete walls, Lexan windows, high strength doors and security foyers just because - and law enforcement ever wants to enter my home, I am screwed.

18 posted on 01/06/2010 7:17:24 AM PST by heartwood
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“In six months two or three generations of scum will be dead, and there will be little crime until for another ten-fifteen years.”
That is exactly what will happen in normal America. I don’t know about the cesspools.


19 posted on 01/06/2010 7:20:14 AM PST by dljordan (Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. ")
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To: Leisler

Your #10, dead on. Cops are the standing army and revenue department of the local government. In my lifetime they have been very little help whatsoever. They write after crime reports and traffic tickets. Not much more than that. We can do without them.


20 posted on 01/06/2010 7:22:39 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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