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HI Department of Health Publicly rebuffs inquiries for Obama’s vital records
Post and email ^ | Dec. 18, 2009 | John Charlton

Posted on 12/19/2009 12:53:03 PM PST by opentalk

DOSSIER OF EXCUSES APPEARS ON WEB IN LAST 6 HOURS? The Hawaii Department of Health has just published a dossier of excuses to rebuff public inquiry into the vital records of Barack Hussein Obama, which the Office of Health Status Monitoring alleges to maintain.

The new web page appears at http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

When did this dossier appear? The dossier page is linked to, from the main page on Vital Records, which begins thus

About Vital Records

Vital records (birth, death, marriage, and divorce certificates) for events that occurred in Hawaii are received and preserved by the Office of Health Status Monitoring, a unit of the Department of Health. In Hawaii, access to vital records is restricted by statute (HRS §338-18).

Frequently Asked Questions About Vital Records of President Barack Hussein Obama II

The entry for the dossier as a FAQ, appears abruptly in a text which has no reference to it, thus indicating that the modification was done abruptly without much planning or forethought about layout considerations. This argues that is was done recently and by direct intervention of Dr. Fukino, the director of the Department of Health.

When this last page was altered and this new page appeared is not certain. Citizen-researchers did not notice them yesterday, and they were discovered only in the last 3 hours. Google as of the writing of this article at 5:00 PM ET, did not contain any links to the dossier page, nor any text from it in their engine. This seems to corroborate that the page appeared in the last 6 hours or so, since the obama.html page contains links to google analytics, Google’s search engine should be aware of its existence.

Reaction to the dossier’s appearance What the dossier contains is evident enough to anyone, as it can be read on line.

The two significant documents, which are handy to have on file, are the links to the PDF files of the 2 statements made by Dr. Fukino about Obama’s alleged vital records.

What the dossier reveals is evident from an inspection of its contents. But what is said and not said shows how the Department of Health is responding to the “crisis” of public inquiry regarding Obama’s alleged vital records.....


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: article2section1; birhtcertificate; birthcertificate; birther; birthers; certifigate; colb; eligibility; hi; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: tired_old_conservative
So was Obama born in a hospital in Hawaii? Who witnessed his birth?

If you don't think the answer to those questions are relevant and important, anything else you write will be taken with all the veracity and seriousness of liberal know-nothing blabber.

21 posted on 12/22/2009 1:06:59 PM PST by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: rolling_stone

Let’s all start referring to HIM as Chester Arthur Obama (Chester Arthur being the other ineligible President...but at least Chester Arthur did a reasonable job as President, according to all accounts.)


22 posted on 12/22/2009 1:39:26 PM PST by kiltie65
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To: rolling_stone
And he has a document stating his place of birth that (1) corresponds in appearance with what Hawaii issues, and (2) is not disputed by the state of Hawaii, as again, it can legally do so for fraudulent misrepresentation. Privacy laws do not protect people who falsify state documents.

if you can't even acknowledge the salience of those facts to observers, then you will be taken by the rest of the world as someone whose emotional needs outweigh their ability to think rationally. Last time I checked, that was a pretty liberal characteristic.

23 posted on 12/22/2009 1:43:57 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Uncle Chip
“But the reality is that his father was not an American citizen but a foreign national, thus disqualifying him from the Presidency...”

Your personal certainty that this is a fact does not make it so. To date, reality is not respecting that opinion.

“there is no documentary evidence that he was even born in the continental U.S...”

He wasn't born in the Continental United States, a term that commonly excludes Alaska and Hawaii. I don't think that has ever been in dispute.

24 posted on 12/22/2009 1:49:42 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative

But Uncle Chip, his COLB states Barack Obama Sr. was Daddy, and since they didn’t have DNA testing then, I’m pretty sure whomever was the Daddy, the legalalities at the time were that the man his mother married was his legal Daddy... Obama, Sr., and he WAS a foreign national.


25 posted on 12/22/2009 1:56:37 PM PST by kiltie65
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To: tired_old_conservative
“But the reality is that his father was not an American citizen but a foreign national, thus disqualifying him from the Presidency...” Your personal certainty that this is a fact does not make it so. To date, reality is not respecting that opinion.

So then his father was NOT Barack Obama Sr, a British Kenyan national???? or are you fantasizing something else???

26 posted on 12/22/2009 2:05:54 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: tired_old_conservative
And he has a document stating his place of birth that (1) corresponds in appearance with what Hawaii issues, and (2) is not disputed by the state of Hawaii, as again, it can legally do so for fraudulent misrepresentation.

Where is your evidence that "he" has such a document???? or that one even exists??? Show us this evidence!!!

Neither he nor anyone else has ever presented this so called evidence to the public, to the media, to the court, or to the Senate as John McCain did before it passed Senate Resolution 511, resolving that he was a natural born citizen because he had two American parents -- something that Obama lacks.

You don't know the difference between a fact and a fantasy and a fraud for that matter -- which is the mark of a liberal loon leftist. You are one behind that phony mask you are wearing, right???

27 posted on 12/22/2009 2:21:27 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: tired_old_conservative
And he has a document stating his place of birth that (1) corresponds in appearance with what Hawaii issues, and (2) is not disputed by the state of Hawaii, as again, it can legally do so for fraudulent misrepresentation. Privacy laws do not protect people who falsify state documents.

I see you didn't anser my question, you are a joke. He apparently has a birth certificate saying he was born in Hawaii, the question is was it correctly issued or was it fraudulently issued. That cannot be answered without further research and information.

if you can't even acknowledge the salience of those facts to observers, then you will be taken by the rest of the world as someone whose emotional needs outweigh their ability to think rationally. Last time I checked, that was a pretty liberal characteristic.

As an experienced Investigator, I readily acknowledge your facts are lacking and there is plenty of logical, rational reason to "trust but verify" facts with other facts that are more reliable and dependable. Since you can't or won't see that I, stand on my observations and conclusion that what you have to say carries little weight in the matter.

Tell me why won't Hawaii in response to Open Records Requests define the difference between date accepted and date filed on a COLB? Tell my why Obama's COLB has date filed on it and not date accepted on it? How many other COLB's say date filed instead of date accepted? More facts that add to suspicion something is amiss. Of course one can't see that with blinders on or an empy headed lemming liberal mind.

How to get a fraudulent Hawaii BC? Just have witnesses file false affidavits.

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/SunYatSen.jpg

28 posted on 12/22/2009 3:12:44 PM PST by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: Uncle Chip

Read your own sentence. It fuses two subjects (the fact of his father’s identity and your belief that one must have two citizen parents) to reach a conclusion that is your belief only, namely that Obama is disqualified from being President. It is that conclusion to which I am self-evidently referring. Picking out the one fact as the object of dispute is both fallacious and silly.


29 posted on 12/22/2009 3:13:03 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Uncle Chip
“Where is your evidence that “he” has such a document???? or that one even exists??? Show us this evidence!!!”"

His campaign posted a document that looks like the birth documentation Hawaii issues upon request. It was on their website. They've let several groups who asked look at the hard copy. Hawaii has very clearly refused the opportunity to dispute it.

So let's see. On a website and offered for examination. That constitutes presented to the public and the media. He's not required to present it to a court, nor would any court accept it unless they have asked for such a presentation. To date, no court has.

I'm neither a liberal, a loon, nor a leftist. I just choose to see reality.

30 posted on 12/22/2009 3:19:09 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative

Typical of leftists == they cannot answer a streight question.


31 posted on 12/22/2009 3:30:37 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: tired_old_conservative

tired_old_conservative: Since 2009-10-03

Coincidence?


32 posted on 12/22/2009 3:31:43 PM PST by wintertime
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To: rolling_stone
“I see you didn't anser my question, you are a joke. He apparently has a birth certificate saying he was born in Hawaii, the question is was it correctly issued or was it fraudulently issued. That cannot be answered without further research and information.”

What hospital he was born in? Who were the witnesses? I could care less. He has shown a document that looks like what Hawaii legally issues, and Hawaii doesn't dispute it, as they legally would were it false. If Hawaii doesn't dispute it, reasonable people can and will assume it was correctly issued.

“As an experienced Investigator, I readily acknowledge your facts are lacking and there is plenty of logical, rational reason to “trust but verify” facts with other facts that are more reliable and dependable. Since you can't or won't see that I, stand on my observations and conclusion that what you have to say carries little weight in the matter.”

Investigate grammar. This is borderline gibberish.

“Tell me why won't Hawaii in response to Open Records Requests define the difference between date accepted and date filed on a COLB? Tell my why Obama’s COLB has date filed on it and not date accepted on it? How many other COLB’s say date filed instead of date accepted?”

Why does it say date filed and not accepted? I don't know, but I assume there is a perfectly valid reason since the COLB I last received from the state of my birth did the exact same thing. It had a date filed on it and no date accepted. The COLB is by definition a partial printout of the database. Maybe date filed is considered a more directly relevant data point for cross-matching records.

33 posted on 12/22/2009 3:36:46 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Uncle Chip
Nobody answers “streight” questions, at least as far as I know.

How about this? Typical conspiracy loons = can't read an answer to a straight question if it bit them in the @ss since they have an irrational, emotional investment in believing what they want to believe, however silly.

34 posted on 12/22/2009 3:39:16 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: wintertime

“tired_old_conservative: Since 2009-10-03

Coincidence?”

No, that would be a simple fact. As far as coincidences go, I’ll check with my wife, but I really do think I was old and tired before 2009-10-03. Been conservative all my life.


35 posted on 12/22/2009 3:41:14 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative
“Where is your evidence that “he” has such a document???? or that one even exists??? Show us this evidence!!!”" His campaign posted a document that looks like the birth documentation Hawaii issues upon request.

LOLOLOL -- "that looks like"???? Twins can look alike but they are not the same person, are they??? A forgery looks like the real thing -- but it is not, is it???.

It was on their website.

What was -- the forgery??? something that "looked like" something that Hawaii issued in 2007??? or something they issued in 1963??? You libs are so easily fooled by even your own loons.

They've let several groups who asked look at the hard copy.

Name those groups -- I'll bet not one is credible.

Hawaii has very clearly refused the opportunity to dispute it.

No -- Hawaii has been dancing the Hawiian Obfuscate to please the Democratic operatives that control the state.

I'm neither a liberal, a loon, nor a leftist. I just choose to see reality.

And yet you believe the whole line of propaganda presented by the Obamanists -- the non-existent document, on a discredited website, that not even their own prefabricators are willing to attest to in a court of law. You are what you are despite your pontifications to the contrary.

36 posted on 12/22/2009 3:48:58 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: opentalk

let’s hire the climategate hackers to hack into the HI DH database(s) :)


37 posted on 12/22/2009 3:56:52 PM PST by isom35
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To: Uncle Chip
“Hawaii has very clearly refused the opportunity to dispute it.

No — Hawaii has been dancing the Hawiian Obfuscate to please the Democratic operatives that control the state.”

Like the Republican governor, genius? Oh, wait, I forgot, they're all in on it. They're always all in on it because otherwise the conspiracy theory is obviously silly to rational people. Which this one is.

38 posted on 12/22/2009 4:04:15 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative
Oh, wait, I forgot, they're all in on it. They're always all in on it because otherwise the conspiracy theory is obviously silly to rational people. Which this one is.

That was the same mantra of the global warming people until a couple weeks ago until it all fell apart for them -- as it will for Obama and his apologists like you.

39 posted on 12/22/2009 4:30:14 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: wintertime; pissant
tired_old_conservative: Since 2009-10-03

I'm betting it's Non Sequitur displaying another split-off personality. COLB causes MPD and ADD.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

40 posted on 12/22/2009 5:08:07 PM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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