Exhibit B for Huckabee is toast.
Posted on 12/16/2009 9:52:42 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
For the sake of brevity - straight to the point (pun intended).
I have thought long about Huckabee's recent interview with Katie Couric. One of the topics that came up was Huckabee's view on same-sex marriage, and it was no accident that it came up. Huckabee's position on the issue of abortion is concrete - he is ardently pro-life. What remained was for him to effectively frame the same-sex marriage debate, and that he did. Quite effectively in fact.
In short, he told Couric that he was pro-traditional marriage, not anti-same sex marriage. He said that it's not that he is against gay marriage, it is that he is for traditional marriage, and that marriage should be between one man and one woman, not one man and one man, one man and two women, etc.
Secondly, he said that once you open the door by redefining marriage (by allowing legal, consenting adult same sex marriage), that there is "no limit" on marriage being redefined again, and that you open the door for allowing marriage to be redefined once again to allow legal, consenting adult polygamous marriage.
Third, he said that it wasn't bigotry and intolerance to not support consenting adult polygamous marriage.
Huckabee has framed this issue in a way that is unwinnable for liberals - and they cannot counter him on this - at least not effectively.
If liberals say that Huckabee is an intolerant bigot, he can say that if he is an intolerant bigot, then they are just as bigoted and just as intolerant as he because they don't support marriage being redefined to allow consenting adult polygamous marriage. He can say that they are also hypocrites to boot (the label that NO ONE wants) because they support marriage being redefined to allow consenting adult same sex marriage, but they don't support marriage being redefined to allow consenting adult polygamous marriage for the tens of thousands of polygamists in America who do want to get married. He can say that at least he is consistent on the issue of marriage: no to polygamy and no to same sex marriage.
If some bring up the question of polygamous marriage presently being illegal, Huckabee can say that same-sex marriage is presently illegal in the overwhelming majority of places in the U.S. and that at one time it was illegal everywhere in the U.S.
If some bring up polygamous marriage being declared illegal by SCOTUS, then Huckabee can say that if same-sex marriage were declared illegal by SCOTUS that gay activists would never cease in trying to get a future SCOTUS to overturn its ruling in the future.
If liberals say that they are against discrimination and for marriage equality for gays, and that Huckabee is not, then Huckabee can counter by asking why they don't support marriage equality for polygamists and why do they support discrimination against them?
And on and on it would go...
This is an unwinnable situation for liberals, who really went after Huckabee on social issues in the 2008 elections. NO ONE wants to be seen as pro-polygamy. NO ONE. Just ask one of Obama's nominees.
Scalia was correct. We were told that overturning the sodomy laws would never, ever lead to gay activits trying to get same-sex marriage legalized. Look at what has happened. We have also been told that if marriage is redefined to allow consenting adult same sex marriage, that it would never ever be redefined again to allow consenting adult polygamous marriage. Sure.
The same arguments that have been used in the push for same sex marriage can be used in the push for polygamous marriage: Bigotry, intolerance, "marriage equality," discrimination, "marriage is about love" and so on.
The one thing that liberals might say to Huckabee is that the Bible condones polygamy, so why doesn't he? They would be hard pressed, though, to find anywhere in the Bible where Jesus condoned polygamous marriage.
For those who may wonder: Will I support Huckabee in 2012? Here is my list of whom I support in 2012, and in this order: Palin, Jindal, Huckabee.
I concur. Nice to see you again, Pissant. It is nice to see you posting around the boards again. Seems to me I used to see a lot more of you in years past. Have you been on furlough, or am I mistaken?
I like Palin and Hunter, but how is Palin “not as conservative” as Hunter?
The three easiest way for a used car salesman to gain power
is to become a preacher, a politician or get a TV show.
No it’s really not. You don’t get the South at all. Barbour or Riley will absolutely destroy Huckabee with it because here in the South when you commit murder against an innocent we want you put to death and to quote Bocephus, if you ain’t into that we don’t give a damn.
Huckabee committed an unpardonable sin as far as justice goes. This is actually one of my key problems with Jindal too. I don’t think Louisiana has executed anyone in years and that makes me worry what his true feelings on the penalty are. He also needs to man up and get the gurney cranking if he is even considering getting my primary vote.
Just look at the records of Bob Riley in Alabama and Haley Barbour in Mississippi. 19 people have been executed under Bob Riley. In the previous 20 years a grand total of 25 had been executed and 40% of Mississippi’s executions since 1977 have been under Barbour. With Haley Barbour and Bob Riley you have two good governors who are committed to Justice.
With Huckabee you have someone who pardons murderers. We know about Maurice Clemmons and Wayne Dumond. How many others don’t we know about? When will they strike? Who will be the next person who dies because Huckabee was soft on criminals?
Huckabee is more establishment GOP crap that needs to go. We need radicals that are ready to rip and tear down the federal bureaucracy. End the welfare state and suddenly, it won’t be so important to a lot of homos to be “married” to get in on the largess of the welfare state.
Something that I am struggling with. I want Palin/Jindal or Plain or Jindal with another running mate as VP. But what if Huck can beat Obama? Will I hold my nose? I don’t know anymore. I said that I wouldn’t in 2008. That policy of mine is beginning to wane given what Obama is doing to this country. If Palin or Jindal can’t win in 2012 will I settle for Huck? Yes.
Can Palin or Jindal beat Obama? Yes. But will either of them they get the Pres. nomination...
I’m in the samne boat that Rush was in 2008. Do we go with McSame or sit it out and let Obama win?
Regardless, alot can happen in 2-3 years. Obama’s poll numbers may be so low that anyone can beat him...
Oh, really? Without FINANCIAL Conservatives there will be NO SOCIAL Conservatives.....Huckabee is done...
Oh, really? Without FINANCIAL Conservatives there will be NO SOCIAL Conservatives.....Huckabee is done...
I’ll save that argument if they both run. I’m not going to beat on Palin.
I haven’t seen much of you either, but I’ve been here as much as ever. Are you hiding in the smoky backroom or sumthin?
I would not vote for him. I’d stay home.
“In short, he told Couric that he was pro-traditional marriage, not anti-same sex marriage. He said that it’s not that he is against gay marriage, it is that he is for traditional marriage, and that marriage should be between one man and one woman, not one man and one man, one man and two women, etc.”
This above answer is a failing answer and is not something that any social conservative should get behind. Huckabee is not anti-gay marriage? So he thinks that there is nothing wrong with it?
Homosexuality is a corruption of natural human sexuality and is not something that anyone should be forced by law to treat as equal to heterosexuality nor should we be teaching children anything else then that. If Huckabee can not stand up and tell it like it is then he is in no way a leader.
HuckaClemens says, blah, blah, blah. He’s a bald faced liar.
Anyone that supports this jerk..... is supporting another 4 long years of Obama.
Or The One and his shameless bots may cook the books enough to convince all the illegals and illiterates to vote for him
Look California got Ahnold becauase people thought he could defeat Gray Davis. Well we got him....and he isn’t any better ( and in some ways worse) than Davis. Those who voted using your logic WOULD have put McClintock in office had they merely voted their conscience
Non issue in a political sense.
Should he have been given clemency? No way. No how. Never.
Have the waters been muddled enough to make it a non issue? Yes.
That is what I meant, not it wasn’t an issue to me personally.
I sure hope that she can lock it all up in 2012. Either she or Jindal.
Huckabee is locking up the STUPID PEOPLE VOTE.
same as in 2008.
STOP IT!
STOP IT RIGHT NOW!
I don’t particularly like Huckabee and worked actively against his nomination in 2008.
But anybody, ANYBODY, is better than what we’ve got.
Let’s win next November’s elections before we start tearing each other apart, OK?
I’m old enough to remember a washed-up ex-VP named Nixon.
At this stage in the game, nobody’s “DONE” — except this country if we on the right don’t get our act together and quit eating each other alive.
We’re never going to fully agree on everything, but my greatest hope is that we will unite on a few very basic points and take this nation back.
That won’t happen with the kind of me-first rancor I’m reading on this thread.
Please.
Huckabee: The John McCain of 2012
“Aw heck, it’s his turn, he did so well last time. Let him do it.”
A slogan that’s brought Republicans so far....
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