Posted on 12/16/2009 9:52:42 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
For the sake of brevity - straight to the point (pun intended).
I have thought long about Huckabee's recent interview with Katie Couric. One of the topics that came up was Huckabee's view on same-sex marriage, and it was no accident that it came up. Huckabee's position on the issue of abortion is concrete - he is ardently pro-life. What remained was for him to effectively frame the same-sex marriage debate, and that he did. Quite effectively in fact.
In short, he told Couric that he was pro-traditional marriage, not anti-same sex marriage. He said that it's not that he is against gay marriage, it is that he is for traditional marriage, and that marriage should be between one man and one woman, not one man and one man, one man and two women, etc.
Secondly, he said that once you open the door by redefining marriage (by allowing legal, consenting adult same sex marriage), that there is "no limit" on marriage being redefined again, and that you open the door for allowing marriage to be redefined once again to allow legal, consenting adult polygamous marriage.
Third, he said that it wasn't bigotry and intolerance to not support consenting adult polygamous marriage.
Huckabee has framed this issue in a way that is unwinnable for liberals - and they cannot counter him on this - at least not effectively.
If liberals say that Huckabee is an intolerant bigot, he can say that if he is an intolerant bigot, then they are just as bigoted and just as intolerant as he because they don't support marriage being redefined to allow consenting adult polygamous marriage. He can say that they are also hypocrites to boot (the label that NO ONE wants) because they support marriage being redefined to allow consenting adult same sex marriage, but they don't support marriage being redefined to allow consenting adult polygamous marriage for the tens of thousands of polygamists in America who do want to get married. He can say that at least he is consistent on the issue of marriage: no to polygamy and no to same sex marriage.
If some bring up the question of polygamous marriage presently being illegal, Huckabee can say that same-sex marriage is presently illegal in the overwhelming majority of places in the U.S. and that at one time it was illegal everywhere in the U.S.
If some bring up polygamous marriage being declared illegal by SCOTUS, then Huckabee can say that if same-sex marriage were declared illegal by SCOTUS that gay activists would never cease in trying to get a future SCOTUS to overturn its ruling in the future.
If liberals say that they are against discrimination and for marriage equality for gays, and that Huckabee is not, then Huckabee can counter by asking why they don't support marriage equality for polygamists and why do they support discrimination against them?
And on and on it would go...
This is an unwinnable situation for liberals, who really went after Huckabee on social issues in the 2008 elections. NO ONE wants to be seen as pro-polygamy. NO ONE. Just ask one of Obama's nominees.
Scalia was correct. We were told that overturning the sodomy laws would never, ever lead to gay activits trying to get same-sex marriage legalized. Look at what has happened. We have also been told that if marriage is redefined to allow consenting adult same sex marriage, that it would never ever be redefined again to allow consenting adult polygamous marriage. Sure.
The same arguments that have been used in the push for same sex marriage can be used in the push for polygamous marriage: Bigotry, intolerance, "marriage equality," discrimination, "marriage is about love" and so on.
The one thing that liberals might say to Huckabee is that the Bible condones polygamy, so why doesn't he? They would be hard pressed, though, to find anywhere in the Bible where Jesus condoned polygamous marriage.
For those who may wonder: Will I support Huckabee in 2012? Here is my list of whom I support in 2012, and in this order: Palin, Jindal, Huckabee.
"I raised taxes because children need roads." ~ Mike Huckabee, RNC debates 2008
“...compassionate Christianity.”
Christianity has nothing to do with compassionate conservatism or any other form of government plundering and redistribution of wealth schemes. Christian giving has nothing to do with using the government to extract charity taxes. When a politician redistributes wealth, it’s a safe bet the reasons are political, not compassionate. Doing it under the guise of Christian charity is contemptible.
And now you understand why I loathe Huckabee.
Anyone who claims to “lean” conservative and “lean” libertarian...obviously has to “lean” from another position in the first place...
The “voice of reason” who needs to set “you people” straight....
OUTED!
IBTZ!
The left is trying to select the most beatable candidate for the GOP — Romney, Huckabee, Pawlenty, Jindal, and on and on — and the RINOs will go along for the money. All of them work together to keep conservatives from having a voice in the nominations.
I have a college education and I'll vote for her.
I think, in substance, she is better than Obama.
You do? Wow.
You're in your twenties...did you come up with this crap all by yourself?
Yeah, that's why you repeat Mo Dowd's 'Caribou Barbie' slur of Palin on your profile page.
Or, should we more accurately say, you used to. Buh-bye.
Heh... you caught that too!
That poster might not be drawing a paycheck from BHO Inc., but you wouldn't know it by their posts.
“Yeah, that’s why you repeat Mo Dowd’s ‘Caribou Barbie’ slur of Palin on your profile page.
Or, should we more accurately say, you used to. Buh-bye.”
Good job!
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