Palin Made a Mistake

Feed Your ADHD ^ | 12/5/2009 | StickeeNotes

[bloodmeridian]

I may catch some flak for this, but I’m prepared. While I very much like Sarah Palin and what she represents, I do believe she made a serious error when answering a question concerning the issue of Barack Obama’s birth certificate.

[Peter Horry]

My point was, I didn’t see how she added to/clarified the issue and invited you to enlighten me... YOU FAILED TO DO SO.

Didn’t mean to make you huffy this close to Christmas.

Some seem to think she was brilliant in just mentioning it, I don’t.

[Peter Horry]

“She was BRILLIANT!”

I can, and have, pointed at the carcawss and went ewwww, is this and being elected govenor all that is necessary to make her brillant?

[sometime lurker]

It sounds like a glitch in a 1936 law was the issue. According to Gabriel J. Chin, University of Arizona Law Professor, the glitch meant McCain was not a natural born citizen:

Senator McCain was born in 1936 in the Canal Zone to U.S. citizen parents. The Canal Zone was territory controlled by the United States, but it was not incorporated into the Union.

As requested by Senator McCain's campaign, distinguished constitutional lawyers Laurence Tribe and Theodore Olson examined the law and issued a detailed opinion offering two reasons that Senator McCain was a natural born citizen. Neither is sound under current law.

The Tribe-Olson Opinion suggests that the Canal Zone, then under exclusive U.S. jurisdiction, may have been covered by the Fourteenth Amendment's grant of citizenship to "all persons born . . . in the United States." However, in the Insular Cases, the Supreme Court held that "unincorporated territories" were not part of the United States for constitutional purposes. Accordingly, many decisions hold that persons born in unincorporated territories are not Fourteenth Amendment citizens.

The Tribe-Olson Opinion also suggests that Senator McCain obtained citizenship by statute. However, the only statute in effect in 1936 did not cover the Canal Zone. Recognizing the gap, in 1937, Congress passed a citizenship law applicable only to the Canal Zone, granting Senator McCain citizenship, but eleven months too late for him to be a citizen at birth.

I don't know anything else about Chin, and I'd be inclined to take Ted Olson's opinion on most things. This is just to understand where the question of McCain's status came from.

[sometime lurker]

Here is some additional clarification as to the perceived gap in the laws:

"At the time of Mr. McCain’s birth, the relevant law granted citizenship to any child born to an American parent “out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States.” Professor Chin said the term “limits and jurisdiction” left a crucial gap. The Canal Zone was beyond the limits of the United States but not beyond its jurisdiction, and thus the law did not apply to Mr. McCain."

This is one I'd really call a technicality, but then I'm not a lawyer.

[BP2]

> Palin Made a Mistake [on Obama's Eligibility as President]

Really - so she "made a mistake" to question Obama's eligibility and divided loyalties
to other nations, and that Obama places other nations AHEAD of the United States?

1) As first a British citizen, then later as a Kenyan citizen?:

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu,
Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling
empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject
whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948.
That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

2) As an Indonesian citizen (Obama adopted the surname and citizenship of his step-father Lolo Soetoro):

3) Plus current examples of his acquiescence of American sovereignty to other nations:

Again: "Palin made a mistake" to question Obama's eligibility and divided loyalties to other nations?!

REALLY??!

[DJ MacWoW]

They have been asked to confirm and state that the Colb is genuine and will not do so. Whatever is printed on it doesn’t matter.

[DJ MacWoW]

My point was, I didn’t see how she added to/clarified the issue and invited you to enlighten me... YOU FAILED TO DO SO.

Again, my post included a question mark. Instead pf answering, you chose to spew silliness. Now, I don't care what your opinion is.

Good day.

[wintertime]

I believe that I was plain. She handled the question brilliantly.

When 51% of Republicans do not believe that Obama was born in the U.S. that means the percentage with doubts about it are even greater.

It would be IMPOSSIBLE for her to tip toe around this stinking carcass in the living room. She **wisely** understand this especially when millions are yelling and pointing at the decomposing mess!

[Peter Horry]

“pointing at the decomposing mess! “

You were very plain, you pointed out that she is now among them... that’s quite a distinction.

[Peter Horry]

ONE OTHER THING, Gov. Plolin didn’t call me for advice, but if she had this would have been my statement.

Both the party and the states have a responsibility to ensure the candidate’s eligibility for office. It is fitting that the media, as well as the citizenry, question this and be supplied documentation of that process.

That is all.

[Vendome]

I personally wouldn’t have challenged McCain and offered my two cents on this thread as someone who does not believe Barry O. is NBC for a variety of reasons. Not the least of which is a lack of proof and his own statement.

I wouldn’t have even waded into this thing a year ago until I saw his fake COLB. Especially, when I know he has access to or possesses at three Long Form BC’s, that many of us are familiar with.

Also, Barry O. and I are about the same age and there is some question of his adoption. If he had been adopted his BC will reflect that as “amended”.

This thread took a strange twist.

[Vendome]

Hey, thanks for showing up. There were some “different” posters on this subject today.

[sometime lurker]

I was responding to your post “Show me where the COLB was certified by anyone in Hawaii”

Alvin T Onaka is the State Registrar of Hawaii.

[SmokingJoe]

“Mi may catch some flak for this, but I’m prepared.”

He is prepated like the Iraqi soldires on the ground were prpared for the smart bombs from the F117A.

“I do believe she made a serious error when answering a question concerning the issue of Barack Obama’s birth certificate”

Nonsense.
51% of Republican voters don't believe 0bozo is a natural born citizen . Even amongst independents substantial number are not buying it. 25% of independents don't believe 0bama is a natural born citizen. Her statement will only further strengthen her support amongst Republicans.
Her statement was exactly right. Americans have every right to ask questions and demand answers about 0bama’s murky past.

[Electric Graffiti]

Forget the stamp. Has Hawaii said that the online 0’s and 1’s of a ‘COLB’, representing one of their documents, is in fact legitimate? Have they said they issued it?

[Electric Graffiti]

....divided loyalties to other nations?!

From Vattel's 'Law of Nations':

§ 212. Citizens and natives. The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.




Any questions why the founders put the natural born citizenship requirement in the Constitution?

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Her introduction to the issue would have been a lot more powerful if it had come from a sitting Governor who could push for a bill in Alaska to require candidates to show proper documentation before appearing on the ballot.

Yeah, she should have been more worried about whether or not Obama is a natural-born citizen instead of doing her job as Governor, knowing she was going to be picked as VP. ROFL

But she decided to give up the governorship so she could utilize the political clout of a Facebook poster.

Yep, and that Facebook has derailed two Obama Marxist agendas and made her even more popular. Not bad, eh?

[awake-n-angry]

Yea, we’re saved.

[sometime lurker]

Has Hawaii said that the online 0’s and 1’s of a ‘COLB’, representing one of their documents, is in fact legitimate? Have they said they issued it?

No, but the question was whether it was certified. It was. The closest they've gotten to the issue is verifying the place of birth:

"I Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii..."

[Electric Graffiti]

‘No’

Exactly.