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How Liberalism and Libertarianism Destroyed Liberty
The Bitpig Rant ^
| 2009.11.10
| Bitpig (B-Chan)
Posted on 11/10/2009 11:55:00 AM PST by B-Chan
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Moral: A secular state cannot be expected to respect Christian values.
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posted on
11/10/2009 11:55:00 AM PST
by
B-Chan
To: B-Chan
Moral: A secular state cannot be expected to respect Christian values. So, do you want a theocracy?
To: B-Chan
Our Lord is not a free marketer Why are you posting Liberation Theology commie crap on FR?
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posted on
11/10/2009 11:57:36 AM PST
by
steve-b
(Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
To: B-Chan
Strange. They sure as hell respect Muslim and atheist values.
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posted on
11/10/2009 11:59:11 AM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
To: B-Chan
So it’s libertarians fault that the church couldn’t “protect” us from gvt?
LOL!
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:01:18 PM PST
by
Pessimist
(u)
To: B-Chan
I guess the papacy should be supreme over the United States, then, replete with forced conversions for all Proddies and Jews. I mean, it worked so well for the Spanish Empire.
“I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.”
-— Ronald Reagan, Reason Magazine, July 1975
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:01:37 PM PST
by
Jewbacca
(The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
To: B-Chan
the Divinely-ordained social order under which the Church provided these goods So God provides the funding for these goods? How does that work, exactly?
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:03:58 PM PST
by
steve-b
(Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
To: B-Chan
In a Christian social order, the State officially recognizes the Church's special role in the life of the nation, and protects and support the Church in its provision of social services...
invited the State to overstep its ordained bounds and intrude into areas of life within which it has no just business. Ya need about... oh, maybe three more paragraphs of padding between these mutually exclusive statements. While that won't actually respect the reader's intelligence, it will at least provide a polite illusion of doing so.
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:07:53 PM PST
by
steve-b
(Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
To: B-Chan
“Moral: A secular state cannot be expected to respect Christian values.”
Moreover, a secular state cannot be expected to respect any value system not determined to benefit the state. That is precisely why our founding fathers but huge constitutional restrictions on the power of the government that was formed.
They did not limit religion, they limited government.
Socialism, not libratarianism, is the cause of our current malaise. It has nothing to do with care of the poor and the sick and everything to do with power and control.
You need to work on your premise as it is flawed.
To: Pessimist
The problem is liberals claiming to be libertarian, who are nothing more than pinko scum.
True Libertarians believe in freedom from government, freedom of religion and freedom to pursue your own happiness as long as it doesn’t intrude on other people’s lives.
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:09:09 PM PST
by
GraceG
To: B-Chan
Libertarians made this bed; The author is a mouth-breathing idiot. Libertarians had absolutely nothing to do with this bed. Try reading up on what Libertarians think about this monstrosity.
L
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:10:22 PM PST
by
Lurker
(The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
To: B-Chan
What you (seem to) be advocating would require a new Constitution.
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:10:27 PM PST
by
DManA
To: Lurker
The author is a mouth-breathing idiot. While our fellow FReepers have (rightly) been chopping up what passes for the "logic" of this argument as if it were a sheep dumped into a pirhana tank, this sort of personal insult is rather uncalled for.
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:14:39 PM PST
by
steve-b
(Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
To: B-Chan
Human beings have the positive and Divine right to daily bread, health care, and other aspects of human dignity.
I could swear that the "he who does not work shall not eat" ethic originally came from the Bible. Nobody has a "right" to any material good in this world, and that includes food and medicine. Moreover, as I saw another Freeper post a while back (and I can't remember who), when you assume that a person has a right to medical care, then what you are actually assuming is that a person has the right to demand that other people perform services for him for free. If you have a "right" to medical care, then you have the right to force a doctor to work on you whether he wants to or not, effectively making that doctor your slave.
It may, indeed, be a Christian's duty to look out for those less fortunate, but that is charity. If one has no choice in the matter, for example when one has his money confiscated by the government to be redirected toward the poor or is forced by the government to perform services for the poor, then you no longer have charity. You have servitude. Either way, the requirement of charity is on the part of the giver. It is not meant as an entitlement for the receiver. That is a huge philosophical difference. Therefore, anyone who cites the Christian value of Charity to justify a "right" to other people's time or money is drastically abusing the concept. Those Christians who wish to practice charity should be doing so on their own, not supporting a governmental system that forces it on everyone else.
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:29:59 PM PST
by
fr_freak
To: B-Chan
Across the Web, the groans and cries of the free-marketers, capitalists, and libertarians have begun to echo in response. Surprisingly, many of these voices condemn the Catholic Church for its "socialist" commitment to feeding the poor, caring for the sick, and doing the other things Jesus Christ commanded of us.
This person is either an idiot, completely ignorant, willfully blind, a liar, a Christian poser, or some combination thereof.
I am going with liar and poser.
He gets it exactly wrong. Individualism does not decry charity. Individualism decries forced charity at the point of a government controlled gun. The latter is tyrany and theft of our life ($ is time spent working).
It is fairly well documented over time that conservatives in this country give more to charity.
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:32:09 PM PST
by
laxcoach
(Government is greedy. Taxpayers who want their own money are not greedy.)
To: B-Chan
LMAO. How in the F can Libertarianism somehow destroy liberty?
Huckabee is that you?
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:32:17 PM PST
by
Extremely Extreme Extremist
(90% of the fedgov is unconstitutional. The other 10% besides the military doesnt know what it's doin)
To: B-Chan
Libertarianism means individual freedom but the individual has total responsibility for his own acts and must be held accountable.
Liberalism means individual freedom, if approved by the govt, but the individual has absolutely no responsibility for his own acts and cannot be held accountable.
Only an utter idiot thinks both are the same.
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:33:22 PM PST
by
Seruzawa
(If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
To: EveningStar
I want a Catholic monarchy. One won’t appear as the result of positive action, however; the restored Christian society will arise organically after the fall of the current global social order.
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:34:21 PM PST
by
B-Chan
(Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
To: steve-b
Reading for comprehension is obviously not your strong suit.
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:35:43 PM PST
by
B-Chan
(Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
To: GraceG
True Libertarians believe in freedom from government, freedom of religion and freedom to pursue your own happiness as long as it doesnt intrude on other peoples lives. No they don't, they believe in pot smoking, orgies with underage children, open borders, carrying assault rifles everywhere...
< /S >
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posted on
11/10/2009 12:36:10 PM PST
by
Extremely Extreme Extremist
(90% of the fedgov is unconstitutional. The other 10% besides the military doesnt know what it's doin)
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