Posted on 11/09/2009 4:04:32 PM PST by ikeonic
It's time for a policy change in the American military. "Don't ask, don't tell" may have seemed like a good compromise in 1993 but makes no sense in a post 9/11 world where the average soldier worries far more about getting fragged by an al Qaeda sympathizer in their platoon than whether their bunkmate is a little light in their government issued boots.
This report from ABC news should make your jaw drop:
U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News. According to the officials, the Army was informed of Hasan's contact, but it is unclear what, if anything, the Army did in response.Joe Lieberman is appropriately jumping to conclusions and demanding answers despite our dear Leader's warning not to. Yes, Obama only advocates jumping to conclusions when saying that a white cop "acted stupidly".
On Sunday, Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) called for an investigation into whether the Army missed signs as to whether Hasan was an Islamic extremist.Sorry, President Obama, I'm going to jump to conclusions here and I agree 100% with Joe Lieberman."If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist extremist, the U.S. Army has to have a zero tolerance," Lieberman told Fox News Sunday.
In my opinion, any soldier who professes sympathy for the enemy or tries to contact the enemy should be immediately dishonorably discharged. If the Army was squeamish about kicking Hasan out when he practically begged to be kicked out, something is wrong and there needs to be a full investigation of Army policy.
If we've tolerated "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" for 16 years, surely we can justify swiftly discharging terrorist sympathizers within the ranks. Last I checked, there haven't been any terrorist attacks by gay or lesbian soldiers. To quote Barry Goldwater, "You don't need to be straight to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight [at the enemy, that is.]"
It's time to scrap "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". The gay and lesbian people of the world are not at war with America. But radical, extreme Islam is most certainly at war with America and the military should not tolerate anyone who openly sympathizes with the enemy. Besides, does anyone really think any soldier at Fort Hood's biggest fear is getting fragged by a gay or lesbian?
Only the most homophobic person would conclude that gays in the military pose a greater threat than the next Hasan who comes unhinged and puts his extremist beliefs into action. Besides, allowing gays and lesbians serve in the military might serve as a deterrent to radical jihadis like Hasan since they openly hate gays. Muslim countries routinely condemn gays to death. Do we really care if the imams in Iran will hate us more if we allow gays in the military? They'll chant "Death to America! Death to Israel!" no matter what we do so it's silly to try to appease them in any way.
So I call on the military to give gays and lesbians a chance to serve. Kick the terrorist sympathizers out.
BTW, are you aware of the rampant acts of vandalism and voter intimidation that occurred in California toward those that supported Prop 8? I’d consider that sort of voter intimidation a major threat to our democratic form of government.
Some of your points are valid. Hasan should have been investigated and dealt with. But why would you imply I or anyone else here believes differently?
I did not equate the two except to try and press the point that they are both threats to this country. I posted numbers to indicate that the problems caused by the homosexual agenda are greater than people typically believe. That doesn't mean it is an equal or greater threat than Islam; it is not, and I never said it was. But it is a threat.
They are two separate issues and they both need to be dealt with correctly. The logical fallacy proposed by the article is this: because there is an over emphasis on finding and removing gays rather than Muslims the policy toward gays should be changed.
Frankly, I am baffled as to why you and others on this thread do not see what is being done here.
1) There is NO information to support the implication that Muslims go undetected because the military is ferreting out gays.
2) There is nothing to support the assertion that the military even does expend resources to actively look for gays. Wasn’t that one of the key points of “don’t ask – don’t tell”? That "don't ask" part?
3) Consider, the argument to relax restrictions on gays inherently compares the two. The article, you and others here are saying "we have a flawed focus on a phantom threat instead of the proper focus on the much bigger true threat!" Yet you and others have stated that any comparison is foolish. I agree, your comparison is foolish.
4) Even if the current policy was to allow openly gay soldiers into the military nothing would have changed regarding Hasan. That would require a change in policy toward Muslims.
You and others on this thread seem to have bought into this flawed argument. The two are separate issues. I have never said otherwise.
Another freeper said it well – it is the equivalent of deciding to disconnect the brakes to go faster because the engine isn’t working.
The military needs to drastically increase its scrutiny of Muslim soldiers. The military does not need to relax its policy toward gays.
Lastly, as to your reference to aids in Africa, I'm at a loss as to how that ties to the homosexual agenda in America. I don't think it does. You are going to have to provide more information on that one. I suspect you are using a tangent in order to avoid debating specific statements. Copy in what I wrote and provide your data and objections and we can discuss it.
>> Most common sense gays and lesbians already know Islam is not their friend, and would do more harm to them than any Christian would. <<
I know a few like this and they are a true minority of a minority. The rest seem to love to drink the PC Kool-aide even if it kills them.
Since you seem to want to engage in a real conversation, I will concede that I don’t find the homosexual agenda to be a threat. You and I disagree on that.
However, I was merely using “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” to make the point that in today’s Army you can get booted immediately if you tell anyone you’re gay, but if you tell your commanding officer that you think the War on Terror is a War on Islam, you get to stay. And I think something is seriously messed up when our policies don’t reflect the post 9/11 world we live in.
You and I don’t have to agree about gays in the military in order to conclude that Hasan should have been given the boot long ago. You are correct that they are separate issues, but the fact that everyone goes ballistic at the mere thought of a queer in a bunker makes my point. If Hasan had been the target of half as much venom as the gays so in need of purging from the military, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
My effort all along was to engage in a conversation. The problem I had w/ two posters in particular was that they repeatedly showed they were incapable of doing so.
Of course you are entitled to you opinion regarding the homosexual agenda. We disagree. I think there is substantial evidence to support to position that it is dangerous.
On your points regarding Islam we are in complete agreement.
I don’t reacll anyone going balistic here over gays in the military, but I may have missed the post(s). If you can refer me to any I would appreciate it.
I will reiterate that gays currently are allowed to serve in the military. One needs only to keep one’s homosexuality to him/her self. The radical gays want this policy suspended and it will cause problems for the military. Attention and effort will have to be diverted. Problems will develop in combat units and our military will be weaker at a time when this should not be happening. The gays pushing for this believe acceptance of them is more important than an intact and effective military.
Well said. With that, I’ll let you have the final word.
The radical homosexual movement will do ANYTHING to get what they want. In this case they want to gain sympathy by joining in on the fight against a legitimate threat to America: radical Islam.
By presenting the argument that “if we’re good enough to fight for this country, we’re good enough to marry/adopt children/educate youth/etc. etc. etc.”, they’ll continue to fool Americans into believing that their disease ridden, promiscous, deviant lifestyle is “normal”.
Homosexuals want access to various institutions so that they can redefine and eventually destroy them (traditional marriage, the military, Christianity, education, youth mentor groups).
By allowing a dysfunctional group whose “identity” is deviant sex into our military, it will only being adding to the problem. Remember, this so-called “community” are atheists that abhor God and His laws. Their icons are bull dykes, drag queens and child molesters. Their “culture” involves public sex in park bushes or sex through glory holes in public restroom toilet stalls.
These lost souls need help, both spiritually and psychologically, and their radical agenda needs to be fought tooth and nail, NOT accepted.
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