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To: ikeonic
You, like others in this thread, seem to have drawn incorrect conclusions based on what I wrote, and may also have attributed things to me I didn't write. It is difficult to tell since your posted reference is not mine.

Some of your points are valid. Hasan should have been investigated and dealt with. But why would you imply I or anyone else here believes differently?

I did not equate the two except to try and press the point that they are both threats to this country. I posted numbers to indicate that the problems caused by the homosexual agenda are greater than people typically believe. That doesn't mean it is an equal or greater threat than Islam; it is not, and I never said it was. But it is a threat.

They are two separate issues and they both need to be dealt with correctly. The logical fallacy proposed by the article is this: because there is an over emphasis on finding and removing gays rather than Muslims the policy toward gays should be changed.

Frankly, I am baffled as to why you and others on this thread do not see what is being done here.

1) There is NO information to support the implication that Muslims go undetected because the military is ferreting out gays.

2) There is nothing to support the assertion that the military even does expend resources to actively look for gays. Wasn’t that one of the key points of “don’t ask – don’t tell”? That "don't ask" part?

3) Consider, the argument to relax restrictions on gays inherently compares the two. The article, you and others here are saying "we have a flawed focus on a phantom threat instead of the proper focus on the much bigger true threat!" Yet you and others have stated that any comparison is foolish. I agree, your comparison is foolish.

4) Even if the current policy was to allow openly gay soldiers into the military nothing would have changed regarding Hasan. That would require a change in policy toward Muslims.

You and others on this thread seem to have bought into this flawed argument. The two are separate issues. I have never said otherwise.

Another freeper said it well – it is the equivalent of deciding to disconnect the brakes to go faster because the engine isn’t working.

The military needs to drastically increase its scrutiny of Muslim soldiers. The military does not need to relax its policy toward gays.

Lastly, as to your reference to aids in Africa, I'm at a loss as to how that ties to the homosexual agenda in America. I don't think it does. You are going to have to provide more information on that one. I suspect you are using a tangent in order to avoid debating specific statements. Copy in what I wrote and provide your data and objections and we can discuss it.

82 posted on 11/10/2009 12:54:06 PM PST by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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To: 70times7

Since you seem to want to engage in a real conversation, I will concede that I don’t find the homosexual agenda to be a threat. You and I disagree on that.

However, I was merely using “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” to make the point that in today’s Army you can get booted immediately if you tell anyone you’re gay, but if you tell your commanding officer that you think the War on Terror is a War on Islam, you get to stay. And I think something is seriously messed up when our policies don’t reflect the post 9/11 world we live in.

You and I don’t have to agree about gays in the military in order to conclude that Hasan should have been given the boot long ago. You are correct that they are separate issues, but the fact that everyone goes ballistic at the mere thought of a queer in a bunker makes my point. If Hasan had been the target of half as much venom as the gays so in need of purging from the military, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.


84 posted on 11/10/2009 1:17:19 PM PST by ikeonic
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