Posted on 11/09/2009 4:04:32 PM PST by ikeonic
It's time for a policy change in the American military. "Don't ask, don't tell" may have seemed like a good compromise in 1993 but makes no sense in a post 9/11 world where the average soldier worries far more about getting fragged by an al Qaeda sympathizer in their platoon than whether their bunkmate is a little light in their government issued boots.
This report from ABC news should make your jaw drop:
U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News. According to the officials, the Army was informed of Hasan's contact, but it is unclear what, if anything, the Army did in response.Joe Lieberman is appropriately jumping to conclusions and demanding answers despite our dear Leader's warning not to. Yes, Obama only advocates jumping to conclusions when saying that a white cop "acted stupidly".
On Sunday, Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) called for an investigation into whether the Army missed signs as to whether Hasan was an Islamic extremist.Sorry, President Obama, I'm going to jump to conclusions here and I agree 100% with Joe Lieberman."If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist extremist, the U.S. Army has to have a zero tolerance," Lieberman told Fox News Sunday.
In my opinion, any soldier who professes sympathy for the enemy or tries to contact the enemy should be immediately dishonorably discharged. If the Army was squeamish about kicking Hasan out when he practically begged to be kicked out, something is wrong and there needs to be a full investigation of Army policy.
If we've tolerated "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" for 16 years, surely we can justify swiftly discharging terrorist sympathizers within the ranks. Last I checked, there haven't been any terrorist attacks by gay or lesbian soldiers. To quote Barry Goldwater, "You don't need to be straight to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight [at the enemy, that is.]"
It's time to scrap "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". The gay and lesbian people of the world are not at war with America. But radical, extreme Islam is most certainly at war with America and the military should not tolerate anyone who openly sympathizes with the enemy. Besides, does anyone really think any soldier at Fort Hood's biggest fear is getting fragged by a gay or lesbian?
Only the most homophobic person would conclude that gays in the military pose a greater threat than the next Hasan who comes unhinged and puts his extremist beliefs into action. Besides, allowing gays and lesbians serve in the military might serve as a deterrent to radical jihadis like Hasan since they openly hate gays. Muslim countries routinely condemn gays to death. Do we really care if the imams in Iran will hate us more if we allow gays in the military? They'll chant "Death to America! Death to Israel!" no matter what we do so it's silly to try to appease them in any way.
So I call on the military to give gays and lesbians a chance to serve. Kick the terrorist sympathizers out.
Let the gays and lezzos get gun permits to carry and they can man the outer ramparts.
Let the gays and lezzos get gun permits to carry and they can man the outer ramparts.
Have fun living in your woefully misguided world.
I'm waiting with baited breath for you to get the last word in.
Yeah, probably not. I can go to DU for that.
Yeah, I suppose I forgot to detect the /s or tongue in cheek in this. My bad.
Yes - did you not understand it the first time? You are intentionally ignorant about both the facts and about what I have written.
Son, you really need to do some research before spouting off at the mouth.
I'm not your son, and I haven’t said anything to you; I have written to you. (that seems to be the problem here). As for research, I pulled some numbers to support my contention that the gay agenda and the Muslim agenda are both threats to this country. What have you provided? Nothing. You haven’t even managed to understand what I wrote, let alone offer a cogent rebuttal.
It doesn't take much when you make comparisons between AIDS and Islam. But you keep believing that gays, AIDS, etc. are a bigger threat to this country than radical Islam. While you're picketing against gays, I'll be gunning down the terrorists coming after you.
Once again, YOU made the first comparison by way of agreement with the article. I have stated the two have nothing to do with each other. Show me where I said gays and aids are a bigger threat than Islam. You cannot because I never did. Over and over you seem to be incapable of actually reading and comprehending what I wrote.
I don't picket against gays. I have already served in the military, and I am quite capable of shooting terrorists myself. I also would prefer that you do not involve yourself since others may get hurt due to your lack of reading comprehension and reasoning skills.
I'm waiting with baited breath for you to get the last word in. Yeah, probably not. I can go to DU for that.
I'm not surprised that you frequent the DU. I don't bother because I can get the same ignorance, asinine assumptions, illogic and illiteracy from you right here. You have contributed next to nothing to this debate as anyone who cares to look may see. (radicalism = bad! Whoa, lemme write it down!)
You can thank me later.
I will thank you to go away. But I doubt you will. You have hit bottom but you do not seem bright enough to know you should not come back and dig.
Hey Johnny, while you're doing your research, why don't you also research the number of people murdered by the sword throughout the ages in the name of Islam. If you don't know the *history* of radical Islam, I can't help you, hon.
But you keep 'writing' your comparisons between AIDS and radical Islam, k? As for the digging, I'll let you hold the shovel. It is getting awfully thick in here. Of course, that's a fancy way of saying you're full of sh!t. But then, I'm just ignant.
The “gay agenda” does not involve trying to infect people with HIV. Blaming AIDS deaths on the “gay lobby” is just as ridiculous as the liberal conspiracy kooks blaming Reagan or the CIA for AIDS. At any rate, most of the people who have died from AIDS, at least in the United States, are homosexual. Are you saying the homosexuals are trying to kill their own?
When it comes to who’s the greater threat, there is no comparison. Radical Islam is a far greater threat than the “gay lobby” could ever be.
As I said in my prior post:
“I will thank you to go away. But I doubt you will. You have hit bottom but you do not seem bright enough to know you should not come back and dig.”
LOL - back you came, shovel in hand, with fresh statements to prove all I have said about you.
BTW - grow up and ditch the urban dictionary, little girl. The word is IGNORANT, hon, and at least you got that right; it’s you.
This is enough. It’s become similar to attempting chess w/ someone who struggles w/ tic tac toe. I have spent enough time, and you are just too much of a cement head to bother with any longer. Dig away.
Another ignorant illiterate, I see. GO READ what I have written instead of stupidly assuming what others write about it is true.
Better check yo'self, foo. Log, eye, bro. Word.
Oh JV, some folks can’t accept the responsibility of their own words. Its plain for every one to see. Clearly our genius has no concept of history whatsoever.
Huh? I did read what you wrote. In post #57 you mentioned a specific number of AIDS infections, then in your very next line you blamed the “gay agenda” for those infections.
You engage in name-calling and feel the need to post your signup date in your tagline - you must fancy yourself quite a successful warrior over the Internet. To each their own. Some of us are successful in real life.
I called you illiterate and ignorant and you have supported my statement.
In post 57 I provided a cum number for prenatal aids infections. Those children did not infect themselves. After that I sarcastically said “Right - the gay agenda is not a threat”. If you do not understand that the spread of aids has been GREATLY supported by the gay agenda you are ignorant. Yes.
Have other deadly contagious diseases been treated as aids has by the CDC and our government? Or are gays afforded special protections, even in a state of infection? Is this rational? Smart? Reasonable? Did the lawmakers lobby themselves for these protections?
What about health care? How inexpensive do you imagine treatment for HIV is? Who do you suppose pays for it?
I never said that the gay agenda was a greater threat than Islam. Again you showed your ignorance and illiteracy. It was not name calling, it was accurate.
Now, stupid, that may have been name calling. But then chiming in w/out having read all of what I wrote was arguably stupid. And if you were honest you would admit it is what you did.
LOL – now then, are you going to argue the facts? Or are you just going to stupidly throw ineffective rocks based on more ignorant assumptions, like – of all things – a tagline?
A few other examples for you. Does the average person in America know who Matthew Sheppard is? Any laws named after him? How about Jesse Dirkhising? Do most Americans know who he is? Any laws named after him? Do you think most Americans know what NAMBLA is? I don’t think many do. Why do you suppose that is? Do you know what it is? Do you actually believe the media is fairly and completely reporting on these issues?
For crying out loud, the media is still tap dancing around the fact that the murders at Ft. Hood were a Muslim terrorist act. At least for now, the gay lobby arguably has more good will and more power with the media than the Muslims. If we are getting a whitewash regarding Muslim issues how could we possibly be getting the truth regarding gay issues?
Is the threat of Islam more dangerous? Of course it is. And it must be stopped. But changing the don’t ask don’t tell policy in the military is a big mistake. It will further destroy morale that is already dangerously low. Gays and lesbians can serve in the military now. Why do you think the gay lobby wants the policy changed? Because they think their social agenda is more important than America’s military agenda. If you recognize the Islam as a threat, how can you not see the gay agenda, and more specifically the point of the article - openly gay soldiers in our military - as a threat to this country?
ALL of this is in line with what I have been writing throughout this thread. If you think differently and want to debate then do so. If not then just shut up and go away. None of my accusations of either of you need additional support.
Thank you for helping make my point. The Army is more concerned about gays than it is about radical jihadis in the ranks. If Hasan had said he way gay, he'd have been given the boot immediately. Instead, he told anyone who would listen that he would not fight fellow Muslims, sympathized with the Jihadis, yada, yada, yada and the Army did nothing. I'll bet all the homophobes here would go ballistic if a queer was allowed to stay in the Army for one day.
Anyone who equates homosexuality and radical Islam is an idiot. The overwheleming majority of AIDS cases in the world are in sub Saharan Africa, where homosexuality is rare. Cultural traditions are largely to blame for the rapid spread of AIDS in Africa as you can read here.
Actually, homosexual males are four times more likely in Africa and 19 times more likely worldwide to get HIV:
http://www.fridae.com/newsfeatures/article.php?articleid=2273&viewarticle=1
The worldwide statistics are shocking. Globally, men who have sex with men are 19 times more likely to be infected with HIV than the general population. In Latin America, which is hosting the biennial international AIDS conference for the first time, MSM are 33 times more likely to be infected than the general population. And though MSM make up nearly a quarter of those infected with HIV in Latin America as a whole, programs targeted toward MSM receive less than 1 percent of total HIV/AIDS spending in the region.
The report found that MSM are 18 times more likely to be infected with HIV than the general population in Asia and at least 4 times more likely in Africa.
The issue, though, on this subject is not allowing something that will disrupt military unit cohesion.
The homosexual agenda is being used by the left as a battering ram against a variety of freedoms, including free of religion freedom of speech and freedom of association.
Young child have had homosexuality forced upon them without parental consent. Photographers have been fined for not wanting to violate their religious beliefs and shoot pictures at same-sex weddings. University administrators have been fired for expressing opinions in newspapers against homosexual marriage. Free speech has been severely restricted in nations like Canada for those that don't buy the idea homosexuality if fine and dandy.
I'd consider the homosexual threat to civil liberties to be as great as the risk of terrorist attack by Muslim terrorists.
Name one politician who would be willing to publicly agree with the statement you just made.
The reason we can't get the Left to unite with us against radical Islam is exactly because of divisive statements like that.
At the end of the day, gays in the military is an issue for the military brass to deal with, but radical Islam is an issue we're all going to have to deal with. I'm far more concerned about the next domestic terrorist like Hasan than whether or not Dan and Stan next door are getting freaky under the sheets. As long as they leave me alone, I'll leave them alone. Radical jihadists aren't going to leave any of us alone.
What sort point is that? There wouldn't have been one that would have been very few that would have come out and stated that Nidal Malik Hasan was a potential terrorist even if they knew what we knew now about him. Political correctness makes liars of most politicians.
There is nothing to unite around. Homosexual activists are major threat to freedom in this country. Not surprisingly, the vast majority are leftists.
The whole homosexual movement as its roots in Communism. Communist goal #26 in the 1963 Communist goals for the country was the normalization of homosexual behavior. Why? Because it fits the left's agenda to eliminate freedom for those the consider a threat.
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