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2012: Obama, Romney & Inevitability
Fits News ^ | October 6, 2009 | Mande Wilkes

Posted on 10/17/2009 2:28:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Whether or not anyone prefers to acknowledge it, Mitt Romney is already the default, de facto Republican presidential nominee in 2012 – and, too, he is already the clear loser.

Health care, singularly, will guarantee Barack Obama a second term – even if he never actually achieves meaningful “reform,” or even if he manages reform but it ends up becoming a festering, hemorrhaging mess … like anything the government runs.

Sure, the health care issue appears to be a political landmine for Obama right now, but he just can’t lose for winning, and there’s no area in which that rings more true than health care reform.

Pitted against Romney (as ultimately will happen, because who else is there, really?), Obama will come out looking every bit the better man for the job.

You see, Romney and health care … he’s been there, he’s done that.

As governor of Massachusetts, Romney socialized the state’s health care system, insuring nearly every resident by forcing people to choose between purchasing coverage or paying a penalty for non-compliance. (Yes, Romney’s a Republican; yes, he’s a business wizard; no, those traits don’t at all jive with his stateside socialization of a major private sector).

The success of Romney’s health care reform has, on balance, been lukewarm.

It’s been bad for business start-ups and expansions, but pretty good for people (well, not entrepreneurial people, but still …)

There is, naturally, a funding problem for Massachusett’s program, the solution for which would surely be increased corporate taxation, except that, um, that well has too run dry at the hands of Romney’s grand plan.

So when you think about it, Romneycare really isn’t a success at all.

Anyway, the relative merits of Romney’s reform are not really the point. Even an entirely successful – fully-funded, business-friendly, quality-controlled, patient-primary – result would still leave Romney in the lurches come 2012.

Romney’s problem is, more to the point, that he’ll be running as a Democrat in disguise against a Democrat demagogue.

If there is to be one issue to set apart Republican from Democrat, it has to be health care. It’s one thing for a Republican politician to triangulate on the issue of health care reform – to mildly oppose it, then to begrudgingly admit its merits – but it’s a whole ‘nother thing for a Republican to endorse, initiate, and institute a socialized system of health coverage.

In 2012, two Democrats will be vying for the presidency, and one of those Democrats is Barack Obama. He just can’t lose.


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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What a steaming pile of cr@p. MittCare Romney’s socialist health care program makes his nomination impossible.


41 posted on 10/17/2009 3:12:03 PM PDT by piytar (This tag deleted by the Ministry of Truth. Love Big Brother. Or else!)
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To: piytar
We'll need a huge bucket!

42 posted on 10/17/2009 3:18:24 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: I am Richard Brandon
REPOST

"2012: Obama, Romney & Inevitability"

Bob Dole - a Good Man, John McCain - a Good Man, Mitt Romney - a Good Man. /sarc but they all meant well!

43 posted on 10/17/2009 3:38:37 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
RomneyCARE has ... problems.

“The former CBO director, Douglas Holtz-Eakin, warns today on the effect ObamaCare
will have on our economy and health care. …This bill will lead to a huge middle class tax increase:
The bill creates a new health entitlement program that the Congressional Budget Office
(CBO) estimates will grow over the longer term at a rate of 8% annually, which is much
faster than the growth rate of the economy or tax revenues.“


”When Barack Obama ran for president, he promised that his health care plan would
"lower health-care costs by $2,500 for the typical family." Now, it turns out that new
legislation that he supports creating public-private "co-operatives" will increase the costs
of family health insurance by $4,000 by 2019.”


”Robert Reich Reveals Brutal Health Care Truths; MSM Snores
"We're going to have to, if you're very old, we're not going to give you all that
technology and all those drugs for the last couple of years of your life to keep you
maybe going for another couple of months. It's too expensive...so we're going to let
you die."


”PriceWaterhouseCoopers concluded that the cost of health insurance for the average
family will rise by $4,000 by 2019, as compared with doing nothing:”


“DEATH PANELS OPEN FOR BUSINESS IN MASSACHUSETTS”


“President Obama's newly confirmed regulatory czar defended the
possibility of removing organs from terminally ill patients without their permission.”


“Customers will pay big for health fix: insurers”


“A major new report confirms the worst fears of many: Health care reform will raise the
costs for most Americans—by about 18% on average. That is on top of existing inflation of health coverage.”


“You can’t reap these savings without limiting patients’ choices in some way," said Paul Levy, CEO of Beth Israel Deaconess.”


“State plan may place limits on patients’ hospital options( Mass. RomneyCare )”


"Romney Visits Nebraska, Talks Health Care [where he defends Romneycare] “


“The WSJ Guide to ObamaCare. A comprehensive collection of our editorials. "


"Paying the Health Tax in Massachusetts [Romneycare]
Massachusetts requires every resident to have health insurance, and this
year, without informing us directly, the state had changed the rules in a way that made
our bare-bones policy no longer acceptable. Unless we ponied up for a pricier policy we
neither need nor want—or enrolled in a government-sponsored insurance plan—we
would have to pay $1,000 each year to the state.
How did we become outlaws? “


"National Health Preview - The Massachusetts debacle, coming soon to your neighborhood."
It was only a matter of time.
They're trying to manage the huge costs of the subsidized middle-class insurance program that is gradually swallowing the state budget.
The program provides low- or no-cost coverage to about 165,000 residents, or three-fifths of the newly insured, and is budgeted at $880 million for 2010, a 7.3% single-year increase that is likely to be optimistic.
The state's overall costs on health programs have increased by 42% (!) since 2006."


A Very Sick Health Plan; Bay State’s ‘Grand Experiment’ Fails [RomneyCare]
"Initiated on Mr. Romney’s gubernatorial watch in 2006, this “experiment” has fallen on hard times, and predictably so. “


"Hospital patients 'left in agony'"
"Patients were allegedly left screaming in pain and drinking from flower vases on a nightmare hospital ward.
She said: "We saw patients drinking out of..."


Health care in Massachusetts: a warning for America [Romney brings Mass. to its knees]
The Bay State's mandatory insurance law is raising costs, limiting access, and lowering care.

Three years ago, Massachusetts adopted a plan requiring all residents to purchase health
insurance, with state subsidies for lower-income residents. But rather than creating a
utopia of high-quality affordable healthcare, the result has been the exact opposite –
skyrocketing costs, worsened access, and lower quality care."


"‘Severe’ doc shortage seen hiking wait time
“The shortage is getting more severe”"


“Health costs to rise again.( RomneyCare )
The state’s major health insurers plan to raise premiums by about 10 percent next year,
prompting many employers to reduce benefits and shift additional costs to workers.”


“Woman bleeds to death after doctor punctures jugular - and no blood is available(UK) "


“Canadian Aboriginals receive body bags for flu

Health officials ordered an investigation Thursday into why the Canadian government
sent body bags to an Aboriginal reserve in Manitoba after community leaders requested
assistance to deal with an expected outbreak of swine flu. “


“45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul
Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under
consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting
down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted, a new IBD/TIPP Poll has found.
The poll contradicts the claims of not only the White House, but also doctors' own lobby
— the powerful American Medical Association “


“Nation’s ill-advised to follow Mass. plan [Health plan a failure]
September 17, 2009 The canary is dead.
Massachusetts, the model for the ObamaCare universal insurance plan, is the canary in
the health care coal mine. Yesterday, its obit appeared on the front page of both The Wall
Street Journal and The Boston Globe-Democrat “


"Patient with ulcer collapses and dies after paramedics tell her: 'Stop being a drama queen'"


"Doctors said I'd had a miscarriage and did nothing as my premature baby fought for his life"


"British Death Panel IBD Editorials September 10, 2009
Single Payer: In Britain, where the public option is about all most patients get,
a newborn has died because national guidelines recommend that the baby not be treated."


"Obama health care plan projected to cost 5.2 million jobs
In addition wages would be “stunted” for another 10.2 million wage earners."


"Is This The Obamacare Future? Overworked Doctors in Australia Worried They Are Killing Patients
there are long waiting lists for orthopedic surgery (median wait for total hip replacement is 88 days;
10% of patients waited over 345 days in 1999 to 2000), and cataract surgery (median is 73 days; 10% waited more than 316 days)."


"Bay State Insurance Premiums Highest in Country - Boston Globe August 22, 2009
Massachusetts has the most expensive family health insurance premiums in the country,
according to a new analysis that highlights the state’s challenge in trying to rein in medical costs
40 percent higher than in 2003. Over the same period, premiums nationwide rose an average of 33 percent..."


"Bed shortage forces 4,000 mothers to give birth in lifts, offices and hospital toilets"


"Oregon Offers Terminal Patients Doctor-Assisted Suicide Instead of Medical Care
PORTLAND, Ore. — Some terminally ill patients in Oregon who turned to their state for health care
were denied treatment and offered doctor-assisted suicide instead
"[How could they] not pay for medication that would help my life, and yet offer to pay to end my life?"

"Sentenced to death on the NHS ….
they can then have fluid and drugs withdrawn and many are put on continuous sedation until they pass away.


"Massachusetts: the laboratory for ObamaCare“


"Obama Health-Care Would Drive Up Inflation and Health-Care Costs
ObamaCare would shrink the economy, drive up health-care costs and inflation,
and increase the deficit,
Overall, total federal expenditures will be 5.6 percent higher than otherwise by 2019, adding $285.6 billion to the federal deficit in 2019”


"Pushing Veterans Toward the Grave”


"NHS blunders allowed cannibal Peter Bryan to kill two”


"Massachusetts' Obama-like reforms increase health costs, wait times [RomneyCare]
Premiums are growing 21 to 46 percent faster than the national average"


"Mass. Pushes Rationing to Control Universal Healthcare Costs (RomneyCare)
A 10-member Massachusetts state healthcare advisory board unanimously recommended
that the state begin rationing healthcare to keep the state’s marquee universal health care program afloat financially.


"1,000 cancer patients 'refused treatment'"


"Massachusetts Universal Healthcare System Breaking Down Already
ERs in Massachusetts have not seen a downturn in visits. On the contrary, it seems that ER visits are actually on the upswing in the Bay State. In fact, in 2007 they were higher than the national average by 20 percent...”


"Hospital patients 'left in agony'"


"Paramedics told: 'Let accident victims die if they want to' in new row over patient rights (UK)"


"National Health Preview - The Massachusetts debacle, coming soon to your neighborhood.
In Massachusetts's latest crisis,
They're trying to manage the huge costs of the subsidized middle-class insurance program that is gradually swallowing the state budget.
The program provides low- or no-cost coverage to about 165,000 residents, or three-fifths of the newly insured, and is budgeted at $880 million for 2010, a 7.3% single-year increase that is likely to be optimistic.
The state's overall costs on health programs have increased by 42% (!) since 2006
Mr. Romney should have known better before signing on to this not-so-grand experiment, especially since the state's "free market" reforms that he boasts about have proven to be irrelevant when not fictional.
Only 21,000 people have used the "connector" that was supposed to link individuals to private insurers."


A Very Sick Health Plan; Bay State’s ‘Grand Experiment’ Fails [RomneyCare]
… fiscal troubles aplenty within Repubican Mitt Romney’s brainchild, Massachusetts’ “grand experiment” in “universal” health care."
"Initiated on Mr. Romney’s gubernatorial watch in 2006, this “experiment” has fallen on hard times, and predictably so.
Even though the Bay State commenced its program with a far smaller percentage of uninsured residents than exists nationwide,
“RomneyCare” is threatening to bankrupt the state.“


"Dem Congresswoman Admits Obama Health Care Plan Will Destroy Private Health Insurance Industry"


"Romney’s mistreatments a sick man, as Gov. Mitt Romney meets a medical marijuana patient"



"Patients Forced To Wait Hours In Ambulances Parked Outside A&E Departments"


"Cancer survivor confronts the health secretary on 62-day wait (UK)"


"Hospital patient so shocked at dirty ward she climbed out of bed to clean it herself."


"Kidney cancer patients denied life-saving drugs by NHS rationing body NICE (UK) "


"Girl, 3, has heart operation cancelled three times because of bed shortage (UK)."

44 posted on 10/17/2009 3:40:09 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I chuckled at this ole bean. No way in h@ll. This guy is smoking some.


45 posted on 10/17/2009 3:40:51 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Bryanw92
...we’ll be respected by the Left...
46 posted on 10/17/2009 3:49:27 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Bob Dole - a Good Man, John McCain - a Good Man, Mitt Romney - a Good Man.
john mccain- goodman??
not close to being true, just not as bad as the typical rat.


47 posted on 10/17/2009 3:49:27 PM PDT by genghis
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Anyone who pretends to know what will happen politically in 2012 is a fool.

Too soon to predict; way too many variables.

the outcome of any war is never predetermined, but must be fought.
Point well made.


48 posted on 10/17/2009 3:50:39 PM PDT by genghis
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To: EGPWS
After watching the Underdog link you posted, I had forgotten how much John McCain looks like Simon Bar Sinister.



Mande Wilkes, former runway model she may be, has that burnt out, Mrs. James Carville look about her.


49 posted on 10/17/2009 3:52:39 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: dalereed

Bob Dole is not garbage. The man has bled for this country more than enough to deserve our respect if not our vote. Ditto’s for McCain. Mitt has accomplished far more than most of us ever will but he is not the person to lead this nation. I believe one maybe two of our ladies will tackle PFL BO in 2012.


50 posted on 10/17/2009 4:02:15 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: gusopol3

He could turn it into an advantage if he’s able to take on the opposition and shove it back at them...in a refined way, of course.

At least he’s been in both the private and public sectors and has experience actually RUNNING something.


51 posted on 10/17/2009 4:18:44 PM PDT by txrangerette (Just say "no" to the Obama Cult.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mitt Romney will most definitely NOT be the GOP nominee in 2012.


52 posted on 10/17/2009 4:28:38 PM PDT by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama will have to Show his ID documents if he wants to run again. He won’t


53 posted on 10/17/2009 4:56:29 PM PDT by dashark
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To: Diogenesis

Kudos for the ‘Iron Eyes’ Cody picture.

I remember that from way back.. trash on the Potomic.


54 posted on 10/17/2009 5:12:29 PM PDT by bigoil
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama will NEVER be allowed to run for a second term without clearing up the birth certificate issue, which means he can't run, which explains why he is expending all his political capital to get his entire socialist agenda accomplished in his first year.

And Sarah is going to kick Mitt to the curb.

55 posted on 10/17/2009 5:33:06 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Ask not what the Kennedys can do for you, but what you can do for the Kennedys.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

NO ROMNEY! HELL NO!


56 posted on 10/17/2009 5:44:30 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (dimocRATS, the party of taxes and death. Is this what you want?)
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To: All

I would love to see Sarah win the Republican nomination in 2012 just to see Steve Schmit’s bald head explode.


57 posted on 10/17/2009 6:04:00 PM PDT by ClarenceThomasfan (President Bush will go down as one of our greatest presidents (next to Ronald Reagan))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I do believe Romney is the one that the media will put forth, just like McCain. They know he can’t win and therefore they get to keep their messiah.

Republicans need to close their primaries.


58 posted on 10/17/2009 6:23:33 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: txrangerette

That’s the frame he needs to take to be successful; actually, I think Sanford might be pretty good, too—Mrs. Sanford.


59 posted on 10/17/2009 6:26:28 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why even post silly things like this? It’s a bunch of crap. ANYTHING can happen 3 years from now. There is no way in hell Romney will get nominated. NO CHANCE and to think Obongo can’t be beat is ludicrous. He will be another Jimmy Carter.


60 posted on 10/17/2009 6:51:46 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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