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2012: Obama, Romney & Inevitability
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 | October 6, 2009
 | Mande Wilkes
Posted on 10/17/2009 2:28:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Whether or not anyone prefers to acknowledge it, Mitt Romney is already the default, de facto Republican presidential nominee in 2012  and, too, he is already the clear loser. 
Health care, singularly, will guarantee Barack Obama a second term  even if he never actually achieves meaningful reform, or even if he manages reform but it ends up becoming a festering, hemorrhaging mess 
 like anything the government runs. 
Sure, the health care issue appears to be a political landmine for Obama right now, but he just cant lose for winning, and theres no area in which that rings more true than health care reform. 
Pitted against Romney (as ultimately will happen, because who else is there, really?), Obama will come out looking every bit the better man for the job. 
You see, Romney and health care 
 hes been there, hes done that. 
As governor of Massachusetts, Romney socialized the states health care system, insuring nearly every resident by forcing people to choose between purchasing coverage or paying a penalty for non-compliance. (Yes, Romneys a Republican; yes, hes a business wizard; no, those traits dont at all jive with his stateside socialization of a major private sector). 
The success of Romneys health care reform has, on balance, been lukewarm. 
Its been bad for business start-ups and expansions, but pretty good for people (well, not entrepreneurial people, but still 
) 
There is, naturally, a funding problem for Massachusetts program, the solution for which would surely be increased corporate taxation, except that, um, that well has too run dry at the hands of Romneys grand plan. 
So when you think about it, Romneycare really isnt a success at all. 
Anyway, the relative merits of Romneys reform are not really the point. Even an entirely successful  fully-funded, business-friendly, quality-controlled, patient-primary  result would still leave Romney in the lurches come 2012. 
Romneys problem is, more to the point, that hell be running as a Democrat in disguise against a Democrat demagogue. 
If there is to be one issue to set apart Republican from Democrat, it has to be health care. Its one thing for a Republican politician to triangulate on the issue of health care reform  to mildly oppose it, then to begrudgingly admit its merits  but its a whole nother thing for a Republican to endorse, initiate, and institute a socialized system of health coverage. 
In 2012, two Democrats will be vying for the presidency, and one of those Democrats is Barack Obama. He just cant lose. 
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
    What a steaming pile of cr@p. MittCare Romney’s socialist health care program makes his nomination impossible.
 
41
posted on 
10/17/2009 3:12:03 PM PDT
by 
piytar
(This tag deleted by the Ministry of Truth. Love Big Brother. Or else!)
 
To: piytar
    We'll need a huge bucket!
 
42
posted on 
10/17/2009 3:18:24 PM PDT
by 
SERKIT
("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
 
To: I am Richard Brandon
    REPOST
"2012: Obama, Romney & Inevitability"
 
 Bob Dole - a Good Man, John McCain - a Good Man, Mitt Romney - a Good Man. /sarc but they all meant well!
 
To: 2ndDivisionVet
    RomneyCARE has ... problems.
 The former CBO director, Douglas Holtz-Eakin, warns today on the effect ObamaCare 
will have on our economy and health care. 
This bill will lead to a huge middle class tax increase: 
The bill creates a new health entitlement program that the Congressional Budget Office 
 (CBO) estimates will grow over the longer term at a rate of 8% annually, which is much 
faster than the growth rate of the economy or tax revenues.
 
  
  When Barack Obama ran for president, he promised that his health care plan would 
"lower health-care costs by $2,500 for the typical family." Now, it turns out that new 
legislation that he supports creating public-private "co-operatives" will increase the costs 
of family health insurance by $4,000 by 2019.
  
  Robert Reich Reveals Brutal Health Care Truths; MSM Snores
 "We're going to have to, if you're very old, we're not going to give you all that 
technology and all those drugs for the last couple of years of your life to keep you 
maybe going for another couple of months. It's too expensive...so we're going to let 
you die."
  
  PriceWaterhouseCoopers concluded that the cost of health insurance for the average 
family will rise by $4,000 by 2019, as compared with doing nothing:
  
  DEATH PANELS OPEN FOR BUSINESS IN MASSACHUSETTS
 
  
  President Obama's newly confirmed regulatory czar defended the 
possibility of removing organs from terminally ill patients without their permission.
 
  
  Customers will pay big for health fix: insurers
 
  
  A major new report confirms the worst fears of many: Health care reform will raise the 
costs for most Americansby about 18% on average. That is on top of existing inflation of health coverage.
 
  
  You cant reap these savings without limiting patients choices in some way," said Paul Levy, CEO of Beth Israel Deaconess.
 
  
  State plan may place limits on patients hospital options( Mass. RomneyCare ) 
 
  
  "Romney Visits Nebraska, Talks Health Care [where he defends Romneycare] 
 
  
  The WSJ Guide to ObamaCare. A comprehensive collection of our editorials. "
 
  
  "Paying the Health Tax in Massachusetts [Romneycare] 
 Massachusetts requires every resident to have health insurance, and this 
year, without informing us directly, the state had changed the rules in a way that made 
our bare-bones policy no longer acceptable. Unless we ponied up for a pricier policy we 
neither need nor wantor enrolled in a government-sponsored insurance planwe 
would have to pay $1,000 each year to the state. 
How did we become outlaws? 
 
  
 

 "National Health Preview - The Massachusetts debacle, coming soon to your neighborhood."
 It was only a matter of time.
 They're trying to manage the huge costs of the subsidized middle-class insurance program that is gradually swallowing the state budget. 
The program provides low- or no-cost coverage to about 165,000 residents, or three-fifths of the newly insured, and is budgeted at $880 million for 2010, a 7.3% single-year increase that is likely to be optimistic. 
The state's overall costs on health programs have increased by 42% (!) since 2006."
 
  
  A Very Sick Health Plan; Bay States Grand Experiment Fails [RomneyCare]
 "Initiated on Mr. Romneys gubernatorial watch in 2006, this experiment has fallen on hard times, and predictably so. 
 
  
  "Hospital patients 'left in agony'"
 "Patients were allegedly left screaming in pain and drinking from flower vases on a nightmare hospital ward.
 She said: "We saw patients drinking out of..."
 
  
  Health care in Massachusetts: a warning for America [Romney brings Mass. to its knees]
 The Bay State's mandatory insurance law is raising costs, limiting access, and lowering care. 
 Three years ago, Massachusetts adopted a plan requiring all residents to purchase health 
insurance, with state subsidies for lower-income residents. But rather than creating a 
utopia of high-quality affordable healthcare, the result has been the exact opposite  
skyrocketing costs, worsened access, and lower quality care."
 
  
  "Severe doc shortage seen hiking wait time 
 The shortage is getting more severe"
 
  
 
 
 Health costs to rise again.( RomneyCare ) 
 The states major health insurers plan to raise premiums by about 10 percent next year, 
prompting many employers to reduce benefits and shift additional costs to workers.
 
  
  Woman bleeds to death after doctor punctures jugular - and no blood is available(UK) "
 
  
 
 
 Canadian Aboriginals receive body bags for flu 

Health officials ordered an investigation Thursday into why the Canadian government 
sent body bags to an Aboriginal reserve in Manitoba after community leaders requested 
assistance to deal with an expected outbreak of swine flu. 
 
  
  45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul
 Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under 
consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting 
down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted, a new IBD/TIPP Poll has found. 
 The poll contradicts the claims of not only the White House, but also doctors' own lobby 
 the powerful American Medical Association 
 
  
  Nations ill-advised to follow Mass. plan [Health plan a failure] 
 September 17, 2009 The canary is dead.
 Massachusetts, the model for the ObamaCare universal insurance plan, is the canary in 
the health care coal mine. Yesterday, its obit appeared on the front page of both The Wall 
Street Journal and The Boston Globe-Democrat 
 
  
  "Patient with ulcer collapses and dies after paramedics tell her: 'Stop being a drama queen'"
 
  
 
 
 "Doctors said I'd had a miscarriage and did nothing as my premature baby fought for his life"
 
  
  "British Death Panel IBD Editorials September 10, 2009
 Single Payer: In Britain, where the public option is about all most patients get, 
 a newborn has died because national guidelines recommend that the baby not be treated."
 
  
 
 
 "Obama health care plan projected to cost 5.2 million jobs
 In addition wages would be stunted for another 10.2 million wage earners."
 
  
  "Is This The Obamacare Future? Overworked Doctors in Australia Worried They Are Killing Patients
 there are long waiting lists for orthopedic surgery (median wait for total hip replacement is 88 days; 
 10% of patients waited over 345 days in 1999 to 2000), and cataract surgery (median is 73 days; 10% waited more than 316 days)."
 
  
  "Bay State Insurance Premiums Highest in Country - Boston Globe August 22, 2009
 Massachusetts has the most expensive family health insurance premiums in the country, 
 according to a new analysis that highlights the states challenge in trying to rein in medical costs 
 40 percent higher than in 2003. Over the same period, premiums nationwide rose an average of 33 percent..."
 
  
  "Bed shortage forces 4,000 mothers to give birth in lifts, offices and hospital toilets"
 
  
  "Oregon Offers Terminal Patients Doctor-Assisted Suicide Instead of Medical Care
 PORTLAND, Ore.  Some terminally ill patients in Oregon who turned to their state for health care 
 were denied treatment and offered doctor-assisted suicide instead
 "[How could they] not pay for medication that would help my life, and yet offer to pay to end my life?"
 "Sentenced to death on the NHS 
.
 they can then have fluid and drugs withdrawn and many are put on continuous sedation until they pass away.
 
  
  "Massachusetts: the laboratory for ObamaCare 
 
  
  "Obama Health-Care Would Drive Up Inflation and Health-Care Costs
 ObamaCare would shrink the economy, drive up health-care costs and inflation, 
 and increase the deficit, 
 Overall, total federal expenditures will be 5.6 percent higher than otherwise by 2019, adding $285.6 billion to the federal deficit in 2019
 
  
  "Pushing Veterans Toward the Grave 
 
  
  "NHS blunders allowed cannibal Peter Bryan to kill two
 
  
  "Massachusetts' Obama-like reforms increase health costs, wait times [RomneyCare]
Premiums are growing 21 to 46 percent faster than the national average"
 
  
 
 
"Mass. Pushes Rationing to Control Universal Healthcare Costs (RomneyCare)
A 10-member Massachusetts state healthcare advisory board unanimously recommended 
that the state begin rationing healthcare to keep the states marquee universal health care program afloat financially.
 
  
  "1,000 cancer patients 'refused treatment'"
 
  
 
 
 "Massachusetts Universal Healthcare System Breaking Down Already
ERs in Massachusetts have not seen a downturn in visits. On the contrary, it seems that ER visits are actually on the upswing in the Bay State. In fact, in 2007 they were higher than the national average by 20 percent... 
 
  
  "Hospital patients 'left in agony'"
 
  
  "Paramedics told: 'Let accident victims die if they want to' in new row over patient rights (UK)"
 
  
  "National Health Preview - The Massachusetts debacle, coming soon to your neighborhood. 
 In Massachusetts's latest crisis, 
 They're trying to manage the huge costs of the subsidized middle-class insurance program that is gradually swallowing the state budget. 
The program provides low- or no-cost coverage to about 165,000 residents, or three-fifths of the newly insured, and is budgeted at $880 million for 2010, a 7.3% single-year increase that is likely to be optimistic. 
The state's overall costs on health programs have increased by 42% (!) since 2006
Mr. Romney should have known better before signing on to this not-so-grand experiment, especially since the state's "free market" reforms that he boasts about have proven to be irrelevant when not fictional. 
Only 21,000 people have used the "connector" that was supposed to link individuals to private insurers."
 
  
  A Very Sick Health Plan; Bay States Grand Experiment Fails [RomneyCare]
 
 fiscal troubles aplenty within Repubican Mitt Romneys brainchild, Massachusetts grand experiment in universal health care."
 "Initiated on Mr. Romneys gubernatorial watch in 2006, this experiment has fallen on hard times, and predictably so. 
Even though the Bay State commenced its program with a far smaller percentage of uninsured residents than exists nationwide, 
RomneyCare is threatening to bankrupt the state.
 
  
  "Dem Congresswoman Admits Obama Health Care Plan Will Destroy Private Health Insurance Industry"
 
  
  "Romneys mistreatments a sick man, as Gov. Mitt Romney meets a medical marijuana patient"
 
  
 
 
  
 "Patients Forced To Wait Hours In Ambulances Parked Outside A&E Departments"
  
  "Cancer survivor confronts the health secretary on 62-day wait (UK)"
  
  "Hospital patient so shocked at dirty ward she climbed out of bed to clean it herself."
  
  "Kidney cancer patients denied life-saving drugs by NHS rationing body NICE (UK) "
  
  "Girl, 3, has heart operation cancelled three times because of bed shortage (UK)."
 
44
posted on 
10/17/2009 3:40:09 PM PDT
by 
Diogenesis
("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
 
To: 2ndDivisionVet
    I chuckled at this ole bean. No way in h@ll. This guy is smoking some.
 
45
posted on 
10/17/2009 3:40:51 PM PDT
by 
Nuc1
(NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
 
To: Bryanw92
    ...well be respected by the Left...
46
posted on 
10/17/2009 3:49:27 PM PDT
by 
Nuc1
(NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
 
To: I am Richard Brandon
    Bob Dole - a Good Man, John McCain - a Good Man, Mitt Romney - a Good Man.
john mccain- goodman??
not close to being true, just not as bad as the typical rat.
 
47
posted on 
10/17/2009 3:49:27 PM PDT
by 
genghis
 
To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
    Anyone who pretends to know what will happen politically in 2012 is a fool.
Too soon to predict; way too many variables.
the outcome of any war is never predetermined, but must be fought.
Point well made.
 
48
posted on 
10/17/2009 3:50:39 PM PDT
by 
genghis
 
To: EGPWS
    After watching the Underdog link you posted, I had forgotten how much John McCain looks like Simon Bar Sinister. 
 
  Mande Wilkes, former runway model she may be, has that burnt out, Mrs. James Carville look about her. 
 
 
49
posted on 
10/17/2009 3:52:39 PM PDT
by 
Dr. Sivana
(There is no salvation in politics.)
 
To: dalereed
    Bob Dole is not garbage. The man has bled for this country more than enough to deserve our respect if not our vote. Ditto’s for McCain. Mitt has accomplished far more than most of us ever will but he is not the person to lead this nation. I believe one maybe two of our ladies will tackle PFL BO in 2012.
 
50
posted on 
10/17/2009 4:02:15 PM PDT
by 
Nuc1
(NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
 
To: gusopol3
    He could turn it into an advantage if he’s able to take on the opposition and shove it back at them...in a refined way, of course.
At least he’s been in both the private and public sectors and has experience actually RUNNING something.
 
51
posted on 
10/17/2009 4:18:44 PM PDT
by 
txrangerette
(Just say "no" to the Obama Cult.)
 
To: 2ndDivisionVet
    Mitt Romney will most definitely NOT be the GOP nominee in 2012.
 
52
posted on 
10/17/2009 4:28:38 PM PDT
by 
PackerBoy
(Just my opinion ....)
 
To: 2ndDivisionVet
    Obama will have to Show his ID documents if he wants to run again. He won’t
 
53
posted on 
10/17/2009 4:56:29 PM PDT
by 
dashark
 
To: Diogenesis
    Kudos for the ‘Iron Eyes’ Cody picture.
I remember that from way back.. trash on the Potomic.
 
54
posted on 
10/17/2009 5:12:29 PM PDT
by 
bigoil
 
To: 2ndDivisionVet
    Obama will NEVER be allowed to run for a second term without clearing up the birth certificate issue, which means he can't run, which explains why he is expending all his political capital to get his entire socialist agenda accomplished in his first year. 
 And Sarah is going to kick Mitt to the curb.
 
55
posted on 
10/17/2009 5:33:06 PM PDT
by 
E. Pluribus Unum
(Ask not what the Kennedys can do for you, but what you can do for the Kennedys.)
 
To: 2ndDivisionVet
56
posted on 
10/17/2009 5:44:30 PM PDT
by 
TribalPrincess2U
(dimocRATS, the party of taxes and death. Is this what you want?)
 
To: All
    I would love to see Sarah win the Republican nomination in 2012 just to see Steve Schmit’s bald head explode.
 
57
posted on 
10/17/2009 6:04:00 PM PDT
by 
ClarenceThomasfan
(President Bush will go down as one of our greatest presidents (next to Ronald Reagan))
 
To: 2ndDivisionVet
    I do believe Romney is the one that the media will put forth, just like McCain. They know he can’t win and therefore they get to keep their messiah.
Republicans need to close their primaries.
 
58
posted on 
10/17/2009 6:23:33 PM PDT
by 
snippy_about_it
(Looking for our Sam Adams)
 
To: txrangerette
    That’s the frame he needs to take to be successful; actually, I think Sanford might be pretty good, too—Mrs. Sanford.
 
59
posted on 
10/17/2009 6:26:28 PM PDT
by 
gusopol3
 
To: 2ndDivisionVet
    Why even post silly things like this? It’s a bunch of crap. ANYTHING can happen 3 years from now. There is no way in hell Romney will get nominated. NO CHANCE and to think Obongo can’t be beat is ludicrous. He will be another Jimmy Carter.
 
60
posted on 
10/17/2009 6:51:46 PM PDT
by 
mojitojoe
(“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
 
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