Posted on 10/15/2009 2:13:26 PM PDT by Danae
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... What is a Natural Born Citizen? ...
“§ 212. Citizens and natives. The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. -Emer Vattel (English language version, “Law of Nations” (1797) Book I, c.19, § 212 http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel.htm http://home.earthlink.net/~dybel/Documents/LawOfNations,Vattel.htm#I-%C2%A7212
Who is Emer Vattel? He wrote the book "Law of Nations" which was originally published in France in 1758. ...
************** There is a great deal more in the article at the link.
(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...
I think it may happen sooner than that.
When interpreting a term, such as natural born citizen, we simply want the true meaning. It appears the true meaning of the Constitution insists two parents of US citizenship.
Will we honor their intent? Maybe, maybe not.
“But, as they say, if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.”
Sir, you have got that right.
The truth will prevail. It is all in our History, and now that people are actually getting in touch with what that history IS it will become impossible for anyone to ignore.
If a BC shows Frank Marshall Davis as his father (or the groom, as the state of Hawaii recently said), he is a natural born citizen, AND a complete lie.
What ever the truth, it is not as Obama says.
How is my pinging a group of people to this thread ANY different from LucyT pinging another group of people to this thread?
Hint: It isn’t.
If Bambi and his backers can drag this out long enough there will be another opening on the SCOTUS. At that time he will entrench another left wing judge, have a 5 to 4 majority, and just thumb his nose at any legal requirements for anything. That is the goal. That is reason. Constitution be damned.
“FREE THE LONG FORM!”
“How is my pinging a group of people to this thread ANY different from LucyT pinging another group of people to this thread?”
Why, it’s simple.
Your side is wrong.
And a bunch of trolls.
Dirty, filthy trolls.
An AFTER-birther speaks.
Oh, I forgot. BTW, do you have today’s talking points from Nancy and Harry? I was on the flying saucer balloon thread all day and missed the daily conference call. /s
Diogenesis, is that the document I’ve seen referred to that lacked the part about being qualified to run under the constitution, or was that a different document?
The last check bounced, so I’ve decided to go ‘off-message’ for a while until I get paid again.
Sir Parsifal, reporting to duty!
Here’s my take. The birthers know that Orly is headed for a crash. SO.....to keep this whole non-issue alive, they are going to resort to Plan B-—Obama isn’t a “natural born citizen”. Since this will probably not be going to the Supreme Court any time soon, they can not actually “lose” the argument. If it did go to the Supreme Court, and they lost on the issue, they would then blame the Supreme Court and Sonia Sottawhatever.
This way, they can play in la la land, even when Orly has been sent packing.
parsy, who says the birthers have drank the Kool Aid
aka the DOJ ping list
No kidding. They stiffed you too? I thought it was a fluke. I still have 10 more hours to get in this week in or to meet my pay scale. Soon, I’ll be promoted to a high-level troll. And then I’ll be raking in the big bucks. ($9.00/hr!)
/s
Hi ho Parsy!
Actually, you are incorrect. There have been responsible people talking about Natural Born Status based on Obama’s parentage for a long time now. Donofrio is one of them. He actually got so frustrated with the whole Birther thing, regarding the Hawaiian birth certificate he dropped out. He is the guy who was stating from the beginning that he didn’t have the parentage to qualify for NBC. So he has taken the opportunity that Hawaii has granted with its UIPA laws and the openings presented to do two things. 1) Prove Obama was born in Hawaii. Which I happen to believe as well. and that 2) his Dad is British. It is #2 that matters.
You have to have parents with American Citizenship and be born in the United States or its territories in order to be a Natural Born Citizen. That means TWO parents. The word is in its plural form because it is referring to MORE THAN ONE!
Obama does not have that.
Parsy, who is late for work and is going to have his pay docked for it
Don’t forget to clock in.
;p
What are you talking about Jack?
I'm Canadian, and even I know this.
I dislike disingenuous people.
Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as President of the United States:
“ No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. ”
The grandfather provision of the “natural born Citizen” clause provides an exception to the “natural born” requirement for those persons who were citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, but had been born as British subjects before the American Revolution (or were born after the Revolution, but before 1787). Without this exception, ten subsequent presidents would have been constitutionally ineligible to serve.[1]
Additionally, the Twelfth Amendment states that: “[N]o person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.” The Fourteenth Amendment, adopted in 1868, defines a “Citizen” of the United States, but not necessarily a “natural born Citizen.” Its Citizenship Clause provides that “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are Citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States
Uuuuuummmmmm! I'm tellin'. You're gonna get kicked out of the birther club.
In practical terms, I believe Drew 68 is correct. Obama’s father's British citizenship was a matter of public record before the election. No court is going to disqualify a duly elected President based on a novel interpretation of the term NBC.
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