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1 posted on 10/04/2009 12:13:44 PM PDT by Josh Painter
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To: Josh Painter
In which case she will lose badly. Reagan was no Libertarian. Libertarians merely have tried to hijack his legacy to make their finger political dogma relevant.

Do nothing about anything ever, which is the core Libertine dogma, is not one that will ever win elections in the real world. It is a doctrine for comfortably middle class self absorbed single males, not serious adult minds.

2 posted on 10/04/2009 12:18:58 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The 0 years, Too bad a requirement for adult supervision was not put into the Constitution)
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To: Josh Painter

It should be noted that she diverges from the “Neocons” on domestic and social issues. Her foreign policy is pro-freedom, “hawkish” (in the good sense), anti-Putin, anti-terrorist and would be called by some “Neocon”. That’s a good thing. If there was something right about “Neocons” it’s foreign policy. She’s no isolationist, non-interventionist paleo.

Just to avoid confusion over where she stands.


3 posted on 10/04/2009 12:21:35 PM PDT by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: Josh Painter

Republicans are not doing anyone a favor by piling on with Demoncrats to trash Sarah Palin.


7 posted on 10/04/2009 12:30:53 PM PDT by hiram569
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To: mazda77
If the Libertarians had any answers they would manage to elect at least people to office at some level.

They don't because like Marxism, it is a ivory tower sort of ideology that can only work because it's adherents are protected by the very system they decry from ever having to actually live up to their self proclaimed dogmas.

8 posted on 10/04/2009 12:33:48 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The 0 years, Too bad a requirement for adult supervision was not put into the Constitution)
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To: Josh Painter

She’s closer the the Founding Father’s principles than anything we’ve seen in decades in this country.


9 posted on 10/04/2009 12:34:41 PM PDT by Freddd
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To: Josh Painter
Accurate insight in this article. Mrs Palin is laying the groundwork to siphon votes from the Libertanians as well as attracting sane Democrats and Indies.
If she runs she will garner Reagan-like electoral numbers vs Obama.
13 posted on 10/04/2009 12:41:20 PM PDT by jla
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To: Josh Painter
Wonder what you would of wrote about an American President that raised taxes 6 times, doubled Federal Spending in 8 years, ran up massive defecits and started the "War on Drugs"?

That President in question was Ronald Reagan.

16 posted on 10/04/2009 12:43:36 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The 0 years, Too bad a requirement for adult supervision was not put into the Constitution)
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To: Josh Painter

The GOP still hasn’t closed its primaries.

Democrats will have say in the party’s nominee...again.

Virtually no one in the GOP has done anything to oppose 0bama, aside from Sarah Palin.

If the GOP nominates McCain, Romney, Gomer Pyle, or Guilianni again, I will not support it or them at all.

I will also not support Pawlenty as he believes in global warming and did not stand up against the fraudulent election of Franken.

I would support John Bolton,

And Sarah Palin.

That is all.


17 posted on 10/04/2009 12:50:00 PM PDT by chris37
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
"A lot has been said lately about the idea that Sarah Palin is positioning herself as a the libertarian in the 2012 field..."

Very interesting...



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23 posted on 10/04/2009 1:03:34 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: Josh Painter
I think this fascination with Libertarianism is merely political nihilism.

Too self absorbed and arrogant self righteous to actually do the hard work required of managing a functioning Government or being part of a serious political movement, it easier for Libertarians to simply cling to an ideology that is so fundamentally unworkable in the real world that it will never be implemented,. Thus they can cling to their childish notions of "The only good Govt is no Govt" without ever having to live by the systems they postulate.

Thus they can sit on their butts do nothing and whine about how everyone else is doing it wrong with out ever having to do the hard work of coming up with real world solutions to real world problems.

Perfect ideology for self absorbed comfortably middle class males with no responsibilities to anything but their own egos.

26 posted on 10/04/2009 1:08:35 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The 0 years, Too bad a requirement for adult supervision was not put into the Constitution)
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To: Josh Painter

I’m not one to pay much attention to nuances, but I have to agree on the capital (L) libertarian, like capital (D) far leftists both are after their own version of Utopia that can never exist. There has to be federal governance if we’re going to be united States that look after the broader issues. However, hitting the stopping place of proactive central governance rather than central control needs to, at some point, be highly defined.

Personally, I think Sarah Palin is a true conservative Republican and has no time whatsoever for the RINO doctrine. Governance for federal issues and leave the issues of personal lives to the states. I also think that she, like Reagan would not hesitate to stare down the country’s enemies with a strong defense that protects our freedoms. I think she would’ve poured the support into Afghanistan that is needed to get the job done and clean it out. Just like we should’ve done in Iraq instead of piddle footing around for so long before the surge.

Frankly I think the RINO’s were wrong in not being up front with an intention of establishing peace keeping bases in both countries, like we’ve done every country that we’ve assisted to liberate themselves. Neither of these countries has the ability or capacity to continue to fight off the extremist rabid dogs all by themselves.


31 posted on 10/04/2009 1:19:40 PM PDT by RowdyFFC (Nancy Pelosi...please deny her any health care....)
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To: Oztrich Boy; jla
I have never understood why Libertarians think if they ever achieved their state they would be the eaters rather then the eaten.

Thomas Hobbes "During the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war, as is of every man, against every man." [Leviathan, pt. 1, ch. 13]

Thomas Hobbes "[In a state of nature] No arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short

32 posted on 10/04/2009 1:22:06 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The 0 years, Too bad a requirement for adult supervision was not put into the Constitution)
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To: filbert
As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.

The preamble of the Libertarian platform. Libertarianism is anarchism with a smiley face painted on it.

35 posted on 10/04/2009 1:30:51 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The 0 years, Too bad a requirement for adult supervision was not put into the Constitution)
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To: Josh Painter

Sarah can win as a conservative Republican who believes government’s primary role is to preserve liberty and allow free people to prosper with as little hindrance from government as possible. She will go nowhere as a Libertarian. I know the left is desperate to split the Republican Party before 2012, and run an independent, Perot style, but beating Obama is too important a political goal for conservatives and Libertarians to allow that to happen. The only split I want to see happen is having pro American Democrats break from the NeoCom Bolsheviks that have taken over their party. Sarah is smart enough to know that the majority of Republicans are not of McCain’s ilk. Getting swept up in the myth of the Demopub/Republicrat, all party politics are the same nonsense is not something Sarah should do.


41 posted on 10/04/2009 1:41:53 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Josh Painter
Some libertarians are still not comfortable with Palin,

Why? Doesn't Sarah support legalizing drugs for all the freakin' potheads?

42 posted on 10/04/2009 1:42:17 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: Josh Painter

It is truly stunning to see so many “conservatives” rally around Sarah Palin for her speeches. Her record as a conservative is spotted with pet boondoggle projects and quitting her governorship early. Admittedly, she gives good speeches and says things our Republican leaders don’t have the cajones to say, but that doesn’t make her the equivalent of Reagan. Reagan had a long career of fighting for conservatism before he became governor of a state with an economy that rivals most nations, and he didn’t quit early. As for Sarah Palin giving neo-cons the finger...she’s apparently taking foreign policy advice from Trent Lott and John McCain’s foreign policy advisor, Randy Scheunenemann. So much for that theory. Sarah Palin is good at what she’s done lately - speak, but criminy, let’s keep it in perspective. I reserve the right to revise and extend my remarks if she throws McCain under the bus in “Going Rogue,” though.


48 posted on 10/04/2009 2:19:50 PM PDT by Nephi ( Bush legacy: "I had to sacrifice free market principles to save the free market.")
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To: Josh Painter

bfl


53 posted on 10/04/2009 2:50:10 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Josh Painter

Nice piece, Josh! I agree 100%!


58 posted on 10/04/2009 5:19:07 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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