DoH Reverses Course – Releases Index Data For President Obama, Stanley Ann and Barack, Sr

Natural Born Citizen ^ | October 2, 2009 | Leo Donofrio

[crosstimbers]

The Hawaii Department of Health has reversed course. They now admit that they do - in fact – make some vital records information available to the public. This admission reverses their prior response pattern indicating that “no information” could be released.

[Neidermeyer]

Both Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann are dead ,, they cannot ammend their legal records,, Hawaii saw their marriage as legal , therefore the marriage was LEGAL , it is recorded , LEGALLY in Hawaii ,, doesn’t matter if some prancing witch doctor declared Obama Sr. married to someone else prior to that or not (recorded as a sack of bird feathers and beads perhaps)... It also doesn’t matter if Obama Sr. actually fathered Obama II ... or if that Cuban Colonel did ,, Obama is the father of LEGAL record. It also doesn’t matter if Obama II ever considered himself a British subject ... England certainly considers him to be so.

[El Gato]

OK , so we have confirmation of a record of marriage between Stanley and Barack Sr. ,, no matter what anyone wants to argue

It's possible that it's only a record of application for a marriage license. However the license would be returned by the person performing the ceremony, if one was performed.

But you can't get a copy anyway, you just have confirmation that some record of that type exists.

Come Monday though, Orly Taitz may be able to.

We shall see.

[El Gato]

Frankly, I was holding out for gender misidentification/ambiguity as being the reason he was so touchy about his BC, if he was born on US soil (half the requirements for NBC status).

Or in his case THE requirement for plain citizen status. (ignoring the possible invalid marriage problem).

[RummyChick]

You are wrong. Let me start off with the fact that it does not matter if both parties are dead. A marriage Void Ab Initio can be attacked collaterally. If you don’t know what that means..look it up.

A child of a void marriage was not considered automatically a UK citizen .. I don’t know where you get that idea.

There is a possibility that he might have convinced them to give him UK citizenship through the registration process..but there was no automatic UK citzenship conferred on this guy. He would have had to show proof of paternity. Etc.

If you don’t understand the definition of child..LOOK IT UP IN THE 1948 act.

[Neidermeyer]

Maya was definately born outside the USA and she does have a COLB from Hawaii

It would be powerful evidence; if you have a link or citation, I'd like to see it. *************************************************

I am taking the Obama familys word for it that she has the COLB I haven't seen it; there is however absolutely no doubt that she was born in Indonesia ,, plenty of doc for that ... it is also well known that absolutely anyone back then could get a Hawaiin COLB with nothing but a phone call. and now we know that having that COLB does not get you listed in whatever index of records this dribble of information came from ...

[RummyChick]

Oh, and let me remind you...that Hawaii DID NOT SEE THEIR MARRIAGE AS LEGAL. You cannot get married in Hawaii with a marriage license from the State of Hawaii if you are already married. Not now. Not then.

Sr could not legally enter into a valid contract.

Just because you LIE on a marriage application does not mean your marriage is legal.

[RummyChick]

The chin is the closest thing you get to believing he is an actual Dunham.

[Neidermeyer]

A marriage Void Ab Initio can be attacked collaterally. If you don’t know what that means..look it up. A child of a void marriage was not considered automatically a UK citizen *******************************************************

Are you stating that a "Void Ab Initio" petition has been filed somewhere? It has occurred? or is this pointless speculation of what this idiot might have done as a tactic if he had any brain cells left from all his cocaine use in NYC? I'll stick to what we know and what we can reliably infer from the released information.

I for one am waiting for discovery... I am most interested in the "lost time" in his life for which no record exists ... I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was spent behind the Iron Curtain.

[El Gato]

No because the marriage wouldnt be legal in the US. Sr could not convey Uk citizenship without a valid marriage.

You are assumning the marriage to Kenza(??) was legal and valid, under US/Hawaii law. If not, then the marriage to S. Ann would have been.

[Neidermeyer]

Just because you LIE on a marriage application does not mean your marriage is legal.

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BULL , If it's recorded , and thought to be legal ,, IT IS LEGAL ,, until it is proven otherwise ... Do you have a marriage record for Obama Sr. from Kenya? Do you see on the Divorce records that Stanley referred to this at all as a reason for the divorce?

[Red Steel]

A child of a void marriage was not considered automatically a UK citizen .. I don’t know where you get that idea.

How do we know that Obama Sr. was married at all? Have you seen the Kenyan marriage certificate? Did he only have a common law marriage? You'll need documentation proving that Obama Sr. was married before he married Dunham.

A marriage Void Ab Initio can be attacked collaterally.

There would have to be some type of legal action to nullify the Dunham Obama marriage, and without verifiable documentation that Obama Sr. was married, your point is mute.

[rxsid]

In addition, are we assuming Sr. was still married in Kenya when he “married” SADO (whenever that was)? Or, has someone posted proof positive that Sr. was indeed married to another women in Kenya at the time of the HI marriage?

[little jeremiah]

Placemark.

[Red Steel]

Never take anything for granted that surrounds Obama and his life. With this guy, it should always be show me proof.

[El Gato]

I don’t know that the info confirms that. Isn’t it possible to get a marriage license in one state and get married somewhere else?

At least in some states, it is. A Texas license can be executed in any state or country (where their law allows) for example. But at least at present, a Hawaiian license can only be executed in Hawaii and the ceremony must be conducted by an officiate licensed by the state of Hawaii.

[rxsid]

Absolutely, 100%.

[BP2]

FIRST of all, this shows that Fukino HAS purposefully been hiding information from public requests. Keep digging at that wound, Leo.

Second of all, I'm sensing there's something VERY SIGNIFICANT from Leo's Blog:

I thought it was very odd that Okubo included the marriage index information in her response to KingsKid’s very specific request for President Obama’s index data. Specifically, I was confused as to why Okubo’s response would list “Bride” and “Groom” in Obama’s index file instead of “Mother” and “Father”.

Okubo’s response to KingsKid gives the impression that the names of Obama’s parents are included in that response – but it doesn’t have them listed as parents.

The Dept of Health (not the Judiciary) maintains Marriage certificates in Hawaii. NO SEARCH by researchers and private investigators has EVER shown it to exist. There's not even a header or index of an Obama marriage record -- unless they've been hiding that index data too!

The words "BRIDE" and "GROOM" do not appear on any Hawaiian Birth Certificate.

And more importantly ... even if that information comes from the "Department of the Judiciary" (Family Courts of Hawaii),
Divorce Records do not list the parties as "BRIDE" and "GROOM" in Hawaii.

... WHY would data that would include the words "Bride" and "Groom" involve the Department of Justice in the first place ... unless something like an Adoption and/or Name Change took place?

[El Gato]

it is also well known that absolutely anyone back then could get a Hawaiin COLB with nothing but a phone call.

One doesn't "get" a COLB (Certification), in the sense that it is a source document. It's an abstract, issued upon request, reflecting some of the data on some source document already on file, generally a Certificate of Live Birth, but also possibly a "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth". Additionally there are multiple ways to "get" a Certificate other than being born in a hospital in Hawaii.

[Red Steel]

You are a Class A researcher. :-)

[RummyChick]

Have YOU bothered to look at Luo tribal custom......

It is going to be very hard for YOU to prove they weren’t married at the time.

The fact stands that the marriage to Kezia would be recognized in Hawaii according to their tribal custom. It was legal in Kenya and therefore legal in Hawaii.

You guys can keep ignoring the law on this..but it isn’t going to change the fact that the marriage was a VOID marriage and the UK law addresses this kind of marriage in their immigration law.