Posted on 09/26/2009 3:39:18 PM PDT by kathsua
Ultimately the government's ability to force people to comply with its regulations involves the threat of imprisoning those who refuse to comply. If the Democrat controlled Congress decides to arbitrarily force some people to purchase health insurance will it adopt severe measures to insure compliance with its requirement.
Will any government requirement to purchase health insurance include the threat to imprison those who refuse to purchase insurance or pay a fine? Will government confiscate money or property from those who refuse to purchase health insurance or pay a fine?
President Barack Obama falsely compares the purchase of health insurance to auto liability insurance. "What it's saying is ... that we're not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you any more than the fact that right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance," he said.
I don't know if Obama is deliberately lying or he is so ignorant he doesn't understand the difference between auto liability insurance and personal health insurance.
States don't require everyone to purchase auto liability insurance. States only impose the requirement on those who want to own and drive motor vehicles to insure that drivers who cause injury or property damage will be able to compensate those who suffer loses. Motorists typically have the option of substituting proof of financial responsibility, such as posting a cash bond, in lieu of insurance.
Different couples with the same income might not have the same ability to pay for health care. A young couple might have two large student loans to pay off and still want to start purchasing a house or newer vehicles. A couple might decide to take the risk of going without health and life insurance to start their own business. Some couples may be providing assistance to a disabled parent.
Many of those who could afford insurance do without it because they believe their healthy lifestyles reduces their need for medical care. They don't want to have to pay to subsidize the habits that increase medical costs like smoking, unhealthy eating and drinking habits, failure to exercise, etc. Insurance companies use money taken from healthy people to pay for the medical care of unhealthy people. Democrats who favor compulsory insurance should ask themselves if they want to be forced to pay for Rush Limbaugh's prescriptions.
Who is best able to determine if someone can purchase health insurance -- wealthy members of Congress, government bureaucrats or individual couples?
No. A Bill of Attainder is a fine imposed by a legislator without due process. Fines MUST be accessed by the Judicial branch.
Camp sounds too cheerful. Like summer camp, girl scout camp, ...
How about Gulag?
Any other suggestions?
Think the next gathering we need to have is a “bed-pan” party, to tell the government just where they can put their plan!
Democrats are probably considering re-opening Eastern State Penitentiary as well as other retired prisons just to incarcerate people who refuse to or are unable to pay.
Fill or drain an isolated wetland here in FL to see the dark side of non-judicial fines.
Imprisoned? Nah. Probably not. More like... locked up in their Christian churches and burned alive, or just hacked to death like Zero's good buddy Odinga has done in Kenya (see below). The Christians in this country better wake the hell up and FAST....or smell the satanic reality at the end of these Marxist's blades.
"Senator Obama raised approximately $950,000.00 for his cousin's, Raila Odinga's presidential campaign, and Saif el-Islam Quaddafi, second eldest son of Libyan Socialist/Islamic Dictator Muammar Quaddafi, contributed a reported $765,000.00. U.S. Senator Obama did, in fact, campaign extensively for Odinga in late 2006 while visiting Kenya.""
""Raila Odinga lost the election, and led a murderous protest that involved the killing of more than 1,500 Kenyans, mostly Christian men, women and children, perpetrated significantly at the hands of Odinga's Muslim supporters. Women were raped and killed, churches were burned. All totalled, it has been reported that an estimated 800 churches were burned and/or heavily damaged. Christians who escaped burning buildings, were hacked to death with machetes, while others were tragically burned to death. During Odinga and his supporter's killing spree, the barbaric thugs went through towns wielding machetes, hacking innocent people to death. The Odinga murderous thuggery worked, because in an effort to stop the killings, Odinga was made prime minister."
“Isn’t that just like Liberals. Throwing people in jail for not doing what they want.”
I can’t wait to see the court cases that come out of this legislation. So the little commies want to make everyone into debt slaves?
These traitors in congress are going to meet their ultimate end...we will see who is in prison.
Aha!
It’s way to accomplish the redistributive change obama’s been set on.
Wonder who’s going to be living in (gifted with) the confiscated properties?
It’s only fair.
Then...with all due respect, you're a fool. And just as misguided and/or naive as the Jews that meekly, without resistance, allowed themselves to be shipped off to the gas chambers were. If you go to that joint, you will not be returning.
Wake the hell up, for God's sake.
There are associations of Christian pastors, missionaries and other church workers which provide various forms of medical co-op cost sharing in lieu of purchasing insurance.
Some of these plans do include insurance for catastrophic health situations, but under a certain capped amount the costs are simply shared between members.
Will people in these associations be fined or imprisoned for not purchasing insurance?
You, see, this garbage about being able “to keep your own plan” and have “freedom of choice” is just that . . . garbage . . . lies. I doubt that in Congress there is even one moment’s discussion about all of the various alternatives that currently exist, or could exist if government wasn’t on our backs.
WE NEED TO KEEP SAYING NO TO THE WHOLE CONCEPT of federally controlled, supervised, managed, healthcare.
Yup. It's dreadfully obvious. We've already been through this a few times and the outcome was the same - more power for government and less liberty for citizens. They can use the power to market favors and the confiscations to maintain the machinery of power. It's back to despotism...except some will not go quietly, heheheh.
Ooopsie.
At which point Alaska can declare itself free and independent. Then the rest of the decent folks can politely advise our sociopathic public servants/masters to return to the sewer in Chicago that they crawled out from.
good one! you might have to explain that one to some of the younger FReepers tho.
If you don’t sign up for the govt health care how are you gonna get the “shots” and “meds” and “treatments” the govt says you need.
same here. I don’t have to many years left on this earth I feel and it is exactly what they are gonna get from me also. so if it ends there well, only a few years short of what was gonna be anyway. so anyway, at least ‘go down swingin’ IF you are being brought down by these commie rat bastards should be everyone’s thought I would think. no give ups or give ins...
I am wide awake...I would fight like hell before then, but if I must do some time...so be it-I go kicking and screaming, not meekly as sheep to slaughter. You misinterpret.
Ah well, in 100 years we’ll see who is right.
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