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Interview with the "Winston Man"
Forces.org ^ | September 25, 2009 | Christopher Snowdon and David Goerlitz

Posted on 09/25/2009 3:34:29 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084

Velvet Glove, Iron Fist author Christopher Snowdon interviews cigarette advertising model David Goerlitz.

We here present the collected interview segments which are available in eleven parts at YouTube. David Goerlitz, called the “Winston man,” came to feel guilty about promoting cigarettes. He felt he was influencing children wrongly. He came to despise crass Big Tobacco executives. He began lecturing kids in schools about avoiding tobacco. He became a darling of the antitobacco movers and shakers. Then he came to see these prohibitionists for the essentially greedy, fanatical, and immoral snakes that they are. He says he was naïve. He still is. Otherwise he would condemn the modern eugenicists with greater passion than is revealed in this interview. We applaud David Goerlitz for waking up. We invite him fully to appreciate the smell of the coffee.

The full interview, integrating the eleven original segments, runs about an hour and a quarter. It’s a good listen. The segments are described:

1.) On Joing Tobacco Control – David Goerlitz has worked in tobacco prevention for 21 years since quitting as the 'Winston Man'. In this interview he talks to Christopher Snowdon (author of Velvet Glove, Iron Fist) about the corruption of the anti-smoking movement.

2.) On the Corruption of Tobacco Control – Discussion of the US Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement and other aspects of corruption in the tobacco control movement.

3.) Where Did the Money Go – Former Winston man David Goerlitz talks about how billions of dollars were misspent by US governors and the anti-smoking movement.

4.) On Smoking Bans – Smoking bans, junk science, and anti-smoking extremism.

5.) On Junk Science – Tobacco prevention expert David Goerlitz talks about junk science, Michael Siegel and secondhand smoke.’

6.) On Prohibition – David Goerlitz talks to Christopher Snowdon about being dropped from a tobacco program for being a 'former addict' and explains why prohibition will never work.

7.) On Personalities – David Goerlitz gives his frank views about the leading anti-smoking personalities he has worked with in the last two decades, including John Banzhaf (Action on Smoking and Health) and Simon Chapman (Tobacco Control journal).

8.) On Being Asked to Lie – As the first tobacco industry 'defector,' Goerlitz gave his testimony in numerous trails and depositions against the tobacco industry. Here, he talks about being asked to lie by lawyers who were hoping to get rich from the downfall of the industry.

9.) An Anti-smoking Event – In the early 1990s, an anti-smoking group organised a celebrity tennis match to raise awareness. It didn't quite work out as planned.

10.) Coming Full Circle – David Goerlitz talks about how he will no longer work in the anti-smoking movement as it is defined by the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids and other groups who have "lied from the get-go."

11.) Final Thoughts – David Goerlitz, former Winston man and long-standing anti-tobacco spokesman ends his interview with Christopher Snowdon with some final thoughts.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: ads; goerlitz; nannystate; pufflist
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

“Ever heard of a beer whore?”

Well, it’s not a generally recognized profession, but I certainly have met QUITE a few ladies who hang around drinking establishments who would fit that bill!


21 posted on 09/25/2009 5:04:03 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Strange...and I dont smoke...but my first impression after watching that commercial was that I would give anything to once again live in THAT America.


22 posted on 09/25/2009 5:09:11 PM PDT by Mister Muggles
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Some of my best friends are beer whores. Do you have a problem with them?


23 posted on 09/25/2009 5:14:42 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Ribeye
The important thing is that you were able to make all of those decisions for yourself. If you consider some of your decisions mistakes you were free to rethink them and change your mind. The benefit of that is that when you self-correct your behavior you have greater confidence that you are doing the right thing. You know you weren't forced into anything good or bad.

The knowledge that I take the blame and the credit for my actions is worth more to me than never doing anything harmful to myself. It makes my actions more meaningful to me and I am less likely to act unmindfully.

24 posted on 09/25/2009 5:15:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

A food nazi nanny used that commercial to illustrate her view of the NWO.

In 20 years max, cartoon characters will not be allowed to “pimp” sugary cereal. Mark my words.


25 posted on 09/25/2009 5:18:19 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Mister Muggles

That's why I love to watch Mad Men on AMC. I was born 2 decades too late.

I guess it's the same way libs feel when they look back on some things that were good about the old days. Manufacturing jobs, unions. Neither is coming back.

26 posted on 09/25/2009 5:24:24 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I don’t disagree. Didn’t the Food Nazis already mix it up with General Mills (Cheerios) over nutritional labeling on their package?

The secret is to be less of a consumer in the first place so this stuff doesn’t effect your life.

Well, other than that pesky, ‘losing all of our God-given RIGHTS’ stuff as outlined in our Constitution... ;)


27 posted on 09/25/2009 5:30:12 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Mister Muggles

Dick Cheney still lives there. Let’s move to Wyoming! :)


28 posted on 09/25/2009 5:30:58 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084; Gabz

“Some of my best friends are beer wh*res.”

Leave me and Gabz out of this, would ya? LOL!


29 posted on 09/25/2009 5:31:53 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

rotf lmao. Good one.

I just got the new iphone and I’m learning text messaging for the first time.


30 posted on 09/25/2009 5:34:54 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
I support anyone's right to do whatever drug he or she wants.

That being said, I'm glad every day that I stopped smoking.
31 posted on 09/25/2009 5:35:10 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Actually sugar is the new “good” thing, it seems. I am laughing at various commercials which advertise that their products contain “real sugar,” as opposed to corn syrup, I suppose.


32 posted on 09/25/2009 6:10:00 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: mysterio

good for you.

I just think that you did it because you were coerced.


33 posted on 09/25/2009 6:15:48 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Mister Muggles

Somebody once said we were all a lot better off when cigarettes could be advertized on TV, but lawyers couldn’t..


34 posted on 09/25/2009 6:16:57 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Mad Men is a fave of mine also.

Don and Betty are the same age I was then, and I loved an occasional good scotch and my cigarettes even when I was pregnant.Lots of caffeine too.

Five healthy non-smoking kids came out of that era in my family. No health issues at all.


35 posted on 09/25/2009 8:56:05 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Thanks for the ping!


36 posted on 09/25/2009 9:47:02 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Eric Blair 2084
I just think that you did it because you were coerced.

I suppose that depends on the definition of "coerced."
37 posted on 09/26/2009 12:15:54 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Thanks Eric! Bookmarking for careful read.


38 posted on 09/26/2009 9:42:24 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Hey, O'Riley! I'd rather be a CRACKER than a CASPAR.)
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To: Dutchboy88
Tobacco has been shown to resolve a number of much larger health care concerns.

Too bad it is not readily available.

39 posted on 09/27/2009 5:46:09 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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