Posted on 09/25/2009 3:34:29 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084
Velvet Glove, Iron Fist author Christopher Snowdon interviews cigarette advertising model David Goerlitz.
We here present the collected interview segments which are available in eleven parts at YouTube. David Goerlitz, called the “Winston man,” came to feel guilty about promoting cigarettes. He felt he was influencing children wrongly. He came to despise crass Big Tobacco executives. He began lecturing kids in schools about avoiding tobacco. He became a darling of the antitobacco movers and shakers. Then he came to see these prohibitionists for the essentially greedy, fanatical, and immoral snakes that they are. He says he was naïve. He still is. Otherwise he would condemn the modern eugenicists with greater passion than is revealed in this interview. We applaud David Goerlitz for waking up. We invite him fully to appreciate the smell of the coffee.
The full interview, integrating the eleven original segments, runs about an hour and a quarter. It’s a good listen. The segments are described:
1.) On Joing Tobacco Control – David Goerlitz has worked in tobacco prevention for 21 years since quitting as the 'Winston Man'. In this interview he talks to Christopher Snowdon (author of Velvet Glove, Iron Fist) about the corruption of the anti-smoking movement.
2.) On the Corruption of Tobacco Control – Discussion of the US Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement and other aspects of corruption in the tobacco control movement.
3.) Where Did the Money Go – Former Winston man David Goerlitz talks about how billions of dollars were misspent by US governors and the anti-smoking movement.
4.) On Smoking Bans – Smoking bans, junk science, and anti-smoking extremism.
5.) On Junk Science – Tobacco prevention expert David Goerlitz talks about junk science, Michael Siegel and secondhand smoke.’
6.) On Prohibition – David Goerlitz talks to Christopher Snowdon about being dropped from a tobacco program for being a 'former addict' and explains why prohibition will never work.
7.) On Personalities – David Goerlitz gives his frank views about the leading anti-smoking personalities he has worked with in the last two decades, including John Banzhaf (Action on Smoking and Health) and Simon Chapman (Tobacco Control journal).
8.) On Being Asked to Lie – As the first tobacco industry 'defector,' Goerlitz gave his testimony in numerous trails and depositions against the tobacco industry. Here, he talks about being asked to lie by lawyers who were hoping to get rich from the downfall of the industry.
9.) An Anti-smoking Event – In the early 1990s, an anti-smoking group organised a celebrity tennis match to raise awareness. It didn't quite work out as planned.
10.) Coming Full Circle – David Goerlitz talks about how he will no longer work in the anti-smoking movement as it is defined by the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids and other groups who have "lied from the get-go."
11.) Final Thoughts – David Goerlitz, former Winston man and long-standing anti-tobacco spokesman ends his interview with Christopher Snowdon with some final thoughts.
I was reluctant to post this, because much like anything else that involves conservative thought, it requires time, thoughtfulness, reflection and wisdom.
It really doesn't jibe with liberals making decisions based on "feelings". This was an interview with the former Winston Man. It has something to appeal to smoker and tobacco haters as well as freedom lovers. Fascinating interview. I just listened to it.
Ditto all drug bans.
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Smoke 'em if you've got 'em!
I'm more of a 'Marlboro Man' kind of gal, myself.
I’m no fan of the anti-smoking fascists, but could you explain why you refer to them as “modern eugenicists”? I can see applying that label to a pro-abortionist, but I’m just not seeing the parallel you are drawing in this case.
I don’t hate tobacco. I enjoy it very much.
But smoking was detrimental to my enjoyment of sports and the outdoors. I like being able to run. And, I like to breathe. So I quit 12 years ago. Cold Turkey.
Then, a few years ago, I started dipping. But jeeze, it’s really bad for your teeth and gums, gives you horrible breath amd sores in my mouth are not my idea of a great habit. So I quit cold turkey again. I feel a lot better. My athletic performance is measurably better (I record all of my crossfit workouts). Hunting Elk is a HECK of a lot easier physically.
Nictoine is a drug. A powerful drug. To deny that is ignorant.
That being said...
MAN OH MAN!!! Do I ever enjoy tobacco...I would love nothing more than a glass of bourbon and lip full of Copenhagen....
Just curious...
Since insurance pools represent funds for the payments of losses to similar risks, is it your view that in spite of the known damage done by tobacco (or other harder drugs), smokers/chewers should still be placed in normal risk pools? Or are you advocating that the gov. allow the use of drugs, just classify it into its own risk pool?
These Statists care more about animals and trees than they do about helpless humans. It's a racket.
How do I listen to or watch this? The link goes nowhere.
You should try the e-cigarettes like I did. You can get the nicotine without the tar and chemicals.
Now I just have a tobacco cig for kicks and giggles a couple of times a week. I can breathe a lot better, I don’t get winded playing soccer or in martial arts sparring.
Capitalism and human engenuity did what Statists couldn’t. They kicked their social engineering coercive asses up and down the sidewalk for public amusement.
I understand how you feel. It doesn't feel good to be treated like a criminal. I can't blame pot smokers for laughing about the treatment of tobacco smokers. Same way that I will laugh when drinkers and fat asses are rounded up in the concentration camp in the name of public health. Schadenfreude is a natural human emotion. I'm guilty of it.
I'm sure that the Jews in the concentration camps felt really bad when their former neighbor unionists and communists were pulling up in the boxcars.
This skirts my question...I’m not talking about gov. intervention in any of this.
If a risk pool operated by a private insurance carrier is made up of similar risks, are you advocating all tobacco users and drug users be included in the pool of non-users as part of the “freedom” you advocate? Just wondering if you would see this as equitable.
No. Crack whores should not be in the same pool as non crack whores.
Community rating is not insurance.
Does that answer your question?
I don’t know what you mean by skirting.
It was an unequivocal no.
Reference to regulation is that pools, or the lack of them, is usually a government regulation of the carriers, which I oppose as well. Regulation might generally require pools to be priced according to risk. I don’t want nannies to take over insurance companies and try to run people’s lives from there either by exhorbitant prices. I am for equity for buyers and sellers and for personal responsibility and paying for what you get.
Wasn’t asking you to back down, but the connection between the control freaks and the eugenicists specifically wasn’t obvious to me. I thought maybe they had advocated sterilizing smokers and I missed it!
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