Aaaaaahhhhhhggh *hiccup*
is it Autumn yet? Can't wait for first Monday in October...
Posted on 09/21/2009 5:37:18 PM PDT by rxsid
Pending Litigation: Hawaii Confirms That Obama’s Vital Records Have Been Amended.
I will be assisting one of my readers in filing litigation in Hawaii state circuit court pursuant to her ongoing request for public information denied by Hawaii officials. (Readers of my blog will recognize her as MissTickly aka TerriK.)Correspondence sent to TerriK by Hawaii officials indicates that President Obama’s vital records have been amended and official records pertaining thereto are maintained by the state of Hawaii.
I will issue a full statement and press release on behalf of TerriK via this blog in the days ahead. This statement will include a complete history of correspondence between TerriK and Hawaii state officials in the Office of Information Practices (OIP) and the Department of Health (DoH).
[snip]STANDING
TerriK has standing to pursue this action under the statute. The UIPA manual states:
“Any person” may make a request for government records under part II, the Freedom of Information section of the UIPA. “Person” is defined broadly to include an individual, government agencies, partnerships and any other legal entities.
Under part II, a government agency generally may not limit access to public records based on who the requester is or the proposed use of the record.
Even Stanley Ann wasn't that flaky, I don't think. ;)
More likely Stanley Armor Dunham, after Grandpa. Assuming that Stanley Armor was not the father, and some unknown dusky maiden the mother. (One of them has to be the parent, because Barack/Barry looks an awful lot like Stanley Armor).
I’m guessing you must REQUEST to change the birth records. It makes no sense whatsoever for a widow to remarry, then have the stepdad listed as the birth father in vital records.
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IN the second statement she made in July 09, but the one she made in October 08, said she'd seen his "original birth certificate". But in that context, the latest "amended" one is considered the original. Original doesn't mean "first" it means "the real document" not a copy or abstract. He could get a copy of that one, but it would take a court order to unseal an earlier one.
Even if born in Kenya, it is still possible to be a NBC IF She wasn’t married because she could bestow US citizenship on him.
You can’t say that without knowing the definition of NBC.
Since it is the only place the term “natural born citizen” is used, I believe that the Founding Fathers FULLY INTENDED that for this one office to only be held by men with no hint of divided loyalties or allegiances.
They FULLY INTENDED that a president only be a child of American citizens (BOTH parents), AND be born on American soil.
Sure would be nice to have a real definition of NBC, though...
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We ALL know that the Founding Fathers intended that an NBC be born within U.S. jurisdiction AND be born of two citizen parents.
The reason that they did NOT elucidate it in the Constitution was that the definition of NBC was UNIVERSALLY known to (ex) British subjects.
English Common Law (which the colonists abided by) FLATLY states that children born on English soil to aliens are, GENERALLY SPEAKING, NBCs.
The ONE requirement for such children is that they owe ONE LOYALTY AND ONE LOYALTY ONLY to a SINGLE sovreign. If a child’s parents owed their allegiance to another sovreign AND that sovreign conferred citizenship status on the child - the child was a dual national.
A dual national is what English Common Law termed a “DENIZEN” - having MOST of the rights of NBCs, EXCEPT that of holding high office.
Even if BHO was born in Hawaii (and a citizen, per the 14th Amendment) - the British Nationality Act of 1948 declared him to be a British citizen through his father.
Therefore, BHO is a dual national, or Denizen - and NOT eligible to high office in the eyes of the Founding Fathers ...
Now if those punks at SCOTUS would quit hiding behind their robes ...
But no records or newspaper listings to indicate that. The record would not be accessible, same as the BC/CoLB, but in those days, marriage licenses were published, and they still are if permission is given, and the local paper wishes to do so, some do, some don't.
The license might not be one issued in Maui either. I happened to have looked, just Monday, at the Texas requirements. (A coworker's brother is getting married and wants the service to be near family, even though he lives in Nevada, and his bride is a Filipina. If you get a license in Texas, you can be married anywhere, not just Texas. You certainly don't have to be married in the same county. So a license could be issued in Dallas, but the Wedding take place in San Antonio, or Cancun.
A quick look at the Hawaii requirement (in 2009 not 1961!) doesn't reveal if the wedding must take place in the same "county". However the form has you select which island you plan to be married on, and who will perform the service. (Such persons must be licensed by the state.
No. If she was married, she has to have met a residency in the US requirement, in 1961, that was 5 years after her 14th birthday. She was not yet 19 and so she didn't meet that requirement. If she was not legally married (where the birth took place) then she only needed to have resided in the US for one year. But all that is about being a citizen at birth, and is provided by statute. A statue cannot change the meaning of a Constitutional term, and so he would not be a natural born citizen, which is the Constitutional requirement.
If born in the US, with his mother married or not, and his legal father not a US citizen, he is likely also not natural born. I say likely, because it's never really been adjudicated. Only one other President hid his records, Chester Arthur, whose father, it has recently been discovered, was not a US citizen at the time of Chester's birth, although Unlike BHO Sr, he did eventually become one, when CA was 14.
Arthur was born in Vermont, never lived outside the US, and had the same father from the time he was born until his father passed away. Quite a Contrast to the Current resident of the Oval Office.
Actually the next day, allegedly in the same hospital. I say allegedly, because we know where the Nordyke twins were born, we don't know where Barry was born. We'd have to see the long form for that, or he or his spokes-person would need to tell us, and they have avoided doing so.
One who had connection with looking into his file was shot not long ago???
But not, if BHO Sr's name is on the BC, a Natural Born Bastard. His father, married to his mother or not, was still not a US citizen. He would not be a British subject at birth, but the "Law of Nations" test is "of citizen parents" plural.
That said I don't think any court would rule that way if he's an American Born Bastard of a US citizen mother.
So they did fill in all the fields, even when was kind of silly. Wow!
One question. Assuming his Momma was who he said she was, an American Citizen, doesn’t that automatically qualify him even if his birth Mother is traveling and he is born outside the US?
No. If she was married, she has to have met a residency in the US requirement, in 1961, that was 5 years after her 14th birthday. She was not yet 19 and so she didn’t meet that requirement. If she was not legally married (where the birth took place) then she only needed to have resided in the US for one year. But all that is about being a citizen at birth, and is provided by statute. A statue cannot change the meaning of a Constitutional term, and so he would not be a natural born citizen, which is the Constitutional requirement.
If born in the US, with his mother married or not, and his legal father not a US citizen, he is likely also not natural born. I say likely, because it’s never really been adjudicated. Only one other President hid his records, Chester Arthur, whose father, it has recently been discovered, was not a US citizen at the time of Chester’s birth, although Unlike BHO Sr, he did eventually become one, when CA was 14.
Arthur was born in Vermont, never lived outside the US, and had the same father from the time he was born until his father passed away. Quite a Contrast to the Current resident of the Oval Office.
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I have not checked - but if I remember correctly, the British Nationality Act of 1948 confers British citizenship on ALL children born abroad to British citizens - yes, even bastards ...
So, he would STILL be a dual national AND NOT an NBC ...
Citizenship of the child is not the issue for natural born status, it's citizenship of the parents. Married or not, if he born in Hawaii he's a citizen, but not necessarily a natural born one.
Didn’t I see somewhere that the Hawaiian authority claims they have never sent out any COLBs to anyone???
NBC is not "conferred" it is or it isn't. But if the father was "unknown" or just blank on the form, he's probably an NBC, but if BHO Sr, or any other foreign national, is listed as his father, he probably isn't.
Citizenship of the child is not the issue for natural born status, it’s citizenship of the parents. Married or not, if he born in Hawaii he’s a citizen, but not necessarily a natural born one.
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Exactly ...
Really, I thought I have seen that posted on his website before the election???
I understand, but I don't see any choice in the law.
Sounds like Aporn???
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