Posted on 09/21/2009 5:37:18 PM PDT by rxsid
Pending Litigation: Hawaii Confirms That Obama’s Vital Records Have Been Amended.
I will be assisting one of my readers in filing litigation in Hawaii state circuit court pursuant to her ongoing request for public information denied by Hawaii officials. (Readers of my blog will recognize her as MissTickly aka TerriK.)Correspondence sent to TerriK by Hawaii officials indicates that President Obama’s vital records have been amended and official records pertaining thereto are maintained by the state of Hawaii.
I will issue a full statement and press release on behalf of TerriK via this blog in the days ahead. This statement will include a complete history of correspondence between TerriK and Hawaii state officials in the Office of Information Practices (OIP) and the Department of Health (DoH).
[snip]STANDING
TerriK has standing to pursue this action under the statute. The UIPA manual states:
“Any person” may make a request for government records under part II, the Freedom of Information section of the UIPA. “Person” is defined broadly to include an individual, government agencies, partnerships and any other legal entities.
Under part II, a government agency generally may not limit access to public records based on who the requester is or the proposed use of the record.
placemark.
Maybe I’ll get up at 3 AM and read more.
Why indeed?
A lot is at stake right now. More than it’s ever been. We all just need to chill out, calm down, UNITE and FOCUS on how to get Zero and his cabal out of office.
I pledge to not go off. Ever again. Unite, Focus, People.
Speaking as one who has used microfilm rolls of old newspapers in a public library, I can say that this medium is something that’s pretty much ignored by the public at large. There are so many more appealing and accessible ways of obtaining data, even from yellowed clippings in a manila file folder. The microfilm readers are not fun to use: they might have a glaring light, a noisy fan, dust, etc. The user has to scroll patiently and slowly to look for what he (or she) wants.
All this tells me is that someone went over those rolls with a fine-toothed comb. What was available at the librarian’s desk may have been the real thing—or the real thing may have been plucked out and something else substituted for the curious. This all points to prior research and anticipation on the part of the library staff.
We don’t know the definition of NBC other than one interpretation which is the strictest.
Her age would have no bearing if born in the US on NBC -
So the only way you know for sure is to knock out his US citizenship. If you can’t do that, then it is anybody’s guess. Even if born in Kenya, it is still possible to be a NBC IF She wasn’t married because she could bestow US citizenship on him.
If born in Kenya, he is nailed for the coverup and the fact that he didn’t allow the courts to decide if he was eligible...because if he accepted that his mother’s marriage was valid to his father..then he couldn’t be a US citizen if born in Kenya(in his mind because the marriage in his mind was valid) He is only a US citizen if they weren’t married....And if he was born in Kenya, there is a good chance they were married through some ceremony there.
How do you prove their marriage?
You would have to look at the law at the time when it came to mixing a customary black marriage and a marriage to a white woman. Did she have to register, etc?
Real or replacement? We probably will never be sure.
Stateless boy allowed to leave Thailand for paper aeroplane contest
You can't say that without knowing the definition of NBC.
Since it is the only place the term "natural born citizen" is used, I believe that the Founding Fathers FULLY INTENDED that for this one office to only be held by men with no hint of divided loyalties or allegiances.
They FULLY INTENDED that a president only be a child of American citizens (BOTH parents), AND be born on American soil.
Sure would be nice to have a real definition of NBC, though...
Heck, if it was me, I’d even require being raised in the USofA...
Well...I can’t make the same pledge. It would be denying the firey Irish part of my heritage...hehe. But I do pledge to apologize afterwards.
Yes they do. They amend the Certificate of Live Birth to reflect the new parent(s).
Who is Eligible to Apply for an Amended Certificate of Birth?
As provided by law (HRS §§338-17.7, 338-20.5), the following persons may apply for an amended certificate of birth:
* A person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and
1. has become legally adopted, or
2. has undergone a sex change operation, or
3. a legal determination of the nonexistence of a parent and child relationship for a person identified as a parent on the birth certificate on file has been made, or
4. previously recorded information in relation to the person’s surname and/or the father’s personal particulars has been altered pursuant to law.
* A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii.
...
For a person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii:
* An amended birth certificate will be prepared upon receipt of a certified copy of the adoption decree or the certificate of adoption, and payment of fees.
§338-17.7 Establishment of new certificates of birth
The department of health shall establish, in the following circumstances, a new certificate of birth for a person born in this State who already has a birth certificate filed with the department and who is referred to below as the “birth registrant”:
...
When a new certificate of birth is established under this section, it shall be substituted for the original certificate of birth. Thereafter, the original certificate and the evidence supporting the preparation of the new certificate shall be sealed and filed. Such sealed document shall be opened only by an order of a court of record.
§338-20.5 Adoption; foreign born persons.
In the latter case, they are supposed to list the foreign country as place of birth and approximate date, or actual date if known, as date of birth.
Interestingly section 338-20 says (for persons born in the state:
(d) If no original certificate of birth shall be on file with the department, the department may require such evidence as it deems necessary to establish the facts of birth before preparing a supplementary certificate in the new name of the adopted person; provided that no such certificate shall be filed unless it shall be satisfactorily established that the adopted person was born in the State
Also the amended certificate probably would not show the circumstances of the original certificate (which might show a delayed filing, or a non attended (ie. by a doctor or midwife) birth.)
I don't know what a COLB based on an amended Certificate of Birth would show for "date filed by registrar", but if it was the date the amended certificate was filed, then an amended Certificate would prove that the CoLB is a forgery.
I wouldn't be surprised if there not an adopted FReeper out there that knows what date would be shown.
Notice that 338-17.7 says has a "birth certificate" but then establish a "certificate of birth".
The records can be unsealed by Court Order. Courts are increasing wont to do that, at least on a case by case basis.
I've only been half joking when I've said he was born a girl (or hermaphrodite)...
In that context, the latest version is considered "the original", since any others are sealed, and can only be revealed, even the person concerned, by court order.
That may or may not matter. It's not that he, BHO Jr, was a British Citizen at birth, but rather that his father was not a US citizen. If BHO Sr was listed on the original BC as the father, even if they weren't married, he's legally the father. Of course because he was, under this assumption, born in the US, little BHO was a citizen at birth, but likely not natural born. Same if he was born outside the US, he'd be a citizen, if his parents weren't legally married, but not natural born, because it's a statue that makes him a citizen in that case. If born outside the US, and parents married, the statue makes him not a citizen at all, because Stanley Ann failed the US residency test, which as you know, is different if the mother is married than if she is not.
Only a portion of adoptive parents would ever want that. Since many adoptions by step parents are due to the previous spouse having kicked the bucket.
Are the “Brigade” people out yet???
It varies from state to state. Hawaii amends the Certificate of Birth, actually they make up a new one. If you'll recall, the field says "father" not "birth father"
The law and the explanation on the DoH website don't go into enough detail to say how they fill in such fields as Father's age (at the child's birth or when the adoption occurred?) Same with mother's in the case of "full" adoption". Same for mother's address, usual occupation, and some info about the mother's last date worked. What do they put in those fields?
Relevant to whether Junior was a British Citizen, not whether his father was. Assuming that BHO Sr is listed as the father, then his legal father was not a citizen at the time of his birth (or ever).
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