Posted on 09/08/2009 6:03:02 PM PDT by fiscon1
Desperate to pass health care, some of the President's supporters are trying to make the claim that Jesus would favor universal health care. For instance, here's how some of his religious supporters framed the issue.
It's one thing to underwrite the lethal use of force against the unborn as part of a nationalized health-care system. It takes a certain moxie, though, to persuade oneself that such plans warm the heart of the Almighty. Yet this is how defenders of the president's agenda, including the president himself, like to talk.
Passages in the Bible about compassion, justice, and the plight of the poor are grafted into policy speeches and legislative proposals. In a recent pastoral letter, the National Council of Churches cites the parable of the Good Samaritan, who helped a stranger "in desperate need of health care." The not-so-subtle conclusion: get behind the president's plan. "Will you join us in this witness to the Christ," the letter implores, "who still brings Good News to all?"
(Excerpt) Read more at theeprovocateur.blogspot.com ...
What Would Jesus Do?
He’d probably heal everybody for free, but doctors can’t afford that kind of charity.
I would imagine that if anyone would have first hand knowledge of how a government can screw things up, it would be Jesus Himself.
It is the duty of all individual believers to support charitable causes, such as providing for the poor.
But it is NOT the duty of believers to FORCE someone else to provide for the poor.
Forced charity is not charity. It is socialism.
Would Jesus want abortions?
Completely ignoring the fact that the parable they use presents a one-on-one situation; similar to a doctor with their patient. It in no way represents what government controlled healthcare will entail. Specious, irrelevant, and misleading. But who will know...?
“He’d probably heal everybody for free, but doctors can’t afford that kind of charity.”
Not after paying the overinflated, commie infested union run colleges in the US...and then getting a target painted on them by the Dimocrap Lawyer patrons...
Jesus shames us *all* when it comes to righteousness. And that means he makes us all mad, too, inasmuch as we are all unrighteous by nature. That said, it is fairly clear from the biblical texts that we have no inherent right to take life away from those who are yet being formed in their mother’s womb.
help thy neighbor or rob thy neighbor to help another neighbor??
How to choose?? wwjd????
Jesus COULD have healed everyone for free, but he did not.
You trying to nullify my snazzy response? :-)
Part of that is because a small portion of the people that they healed would sue them unreasonably. Then the doctors would stop healing because of the liability. Kind of like today.
What Would Jesus Do?
He’d set up death panels?
/sarc
What Would Jesus Do?
He’d fine everyone 3,800 for not having mandated insurance?
/also sarc
//the dims really shouldn’t ask this question for a whole variety of reasons
My answer to those who think to challenge me with “WWJD” is, “Jesus did NOT tell me to take correctthought’s (or anyone else’s) money and help the poor; He taught that I should take MY OWN money and help the poor.”
Let’s ask these churches one simple question:
Does the church pay for health insurance for ALL church employees?
If not, sit down and shut up.
Many clergy vulnerable to health insurance loss
August 25, 2009
While a sour economy and rising costs make it harder for small businesses to afford health coverage, one group of employees is especially vulnerable: clergy.
Many denominations provide health care for clergy, but pastors of small and independent churches can be hard-hit by rising health-care costs. Some clergy latch onto their spouses’ health care, or take a second job that offers insurance. But as the job market tightens, even those secondary solutions are hard to come by.
For the clergy, health-care reform has become personal.
“So many churches are small and too many pastors are uninsured,” said Leith Anderson, president of the National Association of Evangelicals, in a statement. “As clergy age with the rest of America’s population, we may see a growing list of pastors entering retirement with bankrupting medical bills.”
According to an NAE survey last year, 80 percent of respondents said they receive health insurance outside of their church. At the time, Anderson called it a growing problem for American pastors and churches. A year later, not much has changed.
Anderson said layoffs and downsizing at churches have left many clergy members at risk because religious institutions are exempt from buying unemployment insurance.
Simeon May, chief executive officer for the National Association of Church Business Administration, said many pastors have seen the value of their 403(b) plans—a church equivalent of a traditional 401(k) savings plan—drop dramatically in the recession.
In a 2006 NACBA survey of its membership, which includes personnel from many mainline Protestant churches, only 26 percent of full-time ministers and their dependents were fully covered.
http://www.christiancentury.org/article.lasso?id=7693
(These churches need to cover their own employees. WWJD? He would cover his own employees before telling others what they should do.)
Well, If Jesus was watching the demoncrats he’d probably excuse himself and puke.
True for the Believer:
Revelation 1
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
14 -17 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last...
As well as the unbeliever:
Revelation 6: 14-16 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
... The better question is what does the Bible say that we should do?
Love our neighbors as ourselves.
Help the poor.
But note that these acts of charities are for the individual -- not to be subcontracted to some soulless government blob of a bureaucracy... It is for the individual to act.
Also these are acts of charity not grants of entitlements (i.e., financial heroin)...
Jesus used physical healing to establish relationships with people, so that he could save souls from eternal damnation.
I don’t think that’s what the libs have in mind.
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