Posted on 09/04/2009 8:27:12 AM PDT by CMoran325
Edited on 09/04/2009 8:48:23 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
For many people (and yes I’m jumping to conclusions and making sweeping generalizations here) “No one should die because they can’t afford health care” is the weasel way of saying “I want someone else to pay for it” without sounding like a panhandler. So, take what follows with a grain of salt, OK?
On that note, someone’s Facebook status said:
No one should die because they cannot afford health care, and no one should go broke because they get sick. If you agree, please post this as your status for the rest of the day.
No one should die just because they were born in sub-Saharan Africa, either. But they do. Doesn’t make it fair, but it happens. For every “poor” or underprivileged Westerner complaining about their lack of “health care” (NB: even the poorest Americans have access to better health care than, I would venture to guess, 85% of the earth’s population has ever had), there are a million people living on $1 and a cup of rice each day — so cry me a fucking river.
Every one of us will die at the crossroads of some particular circumstances, time, and place.
Some of us die in our sleep. Some of us are merely in “the wrong place at the wrong time.” Some of us will die because the technology to cure what ails us has not yet been invented. Some of us will die because we made poor choices that presently impact our ability to care for ourselves. And some of us will die unfortunately through no direct fault of our own, because we can’t afford to pay for the technology that does exist.
To lament the fact that some people die under seemingly inopportune circumstances is folly; it ignores the lion’s share of the equation. Financial circumstances are a scapegoat, because at nearly any time and place where the individual isn’t DOA, a change in financial circumstances might forestall death for a few hours, days, weeks, or months.
You’ll get no arguments from me, if you say that “health care is too expensive”: blame the AMA cartel, the FDA, blame “Big Insurance”, etc. But National Healthcare is healthcare fascism, the insurers want guaranteed profits, guaranteed customers for life, and Uncle Sam to pay the bills. They want to sell you your own welfare.
You’ll get no arguments from me, if you say that “the system” needs to be reformed: specifically it needs to not be a system at all. People aren’t permitted under the law to care for themselves or to arrange for the care of others. Or because the consumer is not the customer, and the customer enjoys certain tax privileges that the consumer does not, etc. Or because people have been conditioned to believe that “insurance” should pay for an annual check-up and dental exams and all sorts of other routine maintenance instead of just providing for accidents and serious illnesses.
The problem is that health care, medicine, long term care, etc., is damned expensive. Government is the problem in health care, which keeps it unaffordable.
Asking or forcing others to pay the costs which you can’t afford will do nothing to actually solve that problem, it just shifts the burden, [expletive deleted] up someone else’s life circumstances, exacerbating the problem for the future.
Nothing that requires the service or sacrifice of another is a right, it is a commodity. You have the right to your own health decisions, you don't have the right to demand someone serve you (ie a doctor, a chemist, a pharmacist, a nurse, etc).
no one should die because a government panel decides to refuse treatment because they decide your life is not worth the cost to the governments budget.
Your life is your problem, my life is my problem. I believe in liberty.
The problem with health care costs, is not that we have too little government involvement, it is because we have too much. Medicare, Medicade, government regulations and restrictions on insurance all have distorted the marketplace, costs of insurance and health care.
Why does government prohibit true health insurance?
Insurance is individuals volunteering to pool risk against catastrophic loss. So, why does government prohibit catastrophic, multi-year insurance coverage and instead makes insurance companies provide full coverage.
Why would anyone want car insurance to cover oil changes, tire rotations, tune-ups? Don’t know about you, but I can’t afford the cost of low deductible plans and I now have $1000 deductible.
Why would anyone want home insurance to cover furance filters, chaulk, light bulbs? So, why should we be forced to have insurance to cover annual physicals? It just raises the cost for everyone.
Health insurance should only be sold to individuals, a variety of coverage options avaiable and should offer a variety of terms (10 year, 20 year, etc) just like life insurance. Buy it or not - your choice. Don’t buy it, then health care costs are your problem, not mine. You wreck your car and have no car insurance, I’m not buying you a new car either.
No one and I mean absolutely no one goes without health care. There are free and/or reduced fee clinics in every county and emergency rooms under law cannot refuse to treat someone for lack of funds. Therefore, no one dies unless they fail to seek treatment, which is their own fault.
ABSOLUTELY. My son and daughter in law are both ER Docs and treat people every day with out health insurance. From life and death situations to “Well I just wanted to see if I was pregnant. OH, the stories they could tell.
It is the law of the land that anyone who shows up at an emergency room MUST be treated, so no one in this country is denied treatment. I've noticed many walk-in medical clinics recently opening. One just opened in our little town, and anyone can walk in and been seen by a doctor. I don't know how much this local place charges, but I know a Doc on the MS Gulf Coast who only charges $40 a visit, and he doesn't take Medicare or any other Health insurance payments. It's cash, check or credit card, on the barrelhead, and you'll be seen.
This is great for those who can't afford health insurance. They have a place to go for those few times they, or their kids will likely get sick in any given year, without having to shell out, in advance, for costly health insurance. It would also be a great alternative to the standard health insurance set up, because folks could get a Catastrophic Health policy to cover really expensive treatments for a serious illness, but pay for their routine care out of pocket, with the help of an HSA. This way, they're putting money in savings, where it will earn interest, and will be there to pay for sick baby visits, an annual physical, mammogram, colonoscopy, pap smear, or other preventive procedure that usually only happens once a year, or once every few years. If you add up the cost of those annual screenings, a physical for each member of the family, and throw in a couple of visits for each member for colds, etc, the total costs likely wouldn't come anywhere NEAR what folks usually pay in annual health insurance premiums, plus the co-pays required for those visits.
There are alternatives for basic health care in this country, and we don't need another layer of government bureaucracy which will only add more cost to the mix.
When someone repeated the whole and no one should die due to lack of health care, I followed with this.
The right not to be killed is primary and it isn't on the same level as wanting to receive the best medical care. I want everyone to receive the best care but it is not a right.
The only rights we have are natural rights. These natural rights are all individual rights (as opposed to a group right). The right to life and property are examples of individual rights. One sign that modern medical treatment isn't a natural right is that it is modern. In other words it isn't what all people had at all times. We see from this that slavery is wrong too. It is the individual's right to work and own his own property. If there were group rights it maybe the right of one group to own another group.
This is the primary reason that I reject socialized health care. I do not believe it is the proper roll of the government.
The next reason, the one that appeals to most people, is that socialized heath care is simply worst health care. The US has the highest survival rates for major ailments. I do want not want people to die from their ailments. I want them to get better and thrive. This is why I reject socialized heath care
ER’s don’t do chemotherapy. Chemo is not an emergency treatment. However there are government programs that will pay for your chemo if you need it - Medicade and Medicare.
I have a rabidly liberal activist friend who loves to post stories about people he knows who can't afford health care. I pointed out recently that he was a good person for pulling out his own checkbook and writing them a check to help them. He said he didn't, but it was important for us to have a government system, at which point I said "so, you care more about this being a political issue than you do your friend's health in that you wouldn't personally write your friend a check, you would rather them suffer without care so you can have your soap box?" Silence after that.
Oh no. They want what everyone else has for free. Don't ask them to contribute anything themselves. It'll ever happen.
The multimillionaire democrat politicians are always talking about us taxpayers supporting the poor, but by golly don't you dare go near their private bank accounts!
No one should die because they cannot afford burritos, and no one should go broke because they got sick from eating burritos. If you agree, please post this as your status for the rest of the day.
His brother duplicated it on his page and I put it on mine.
I don't know if he originated it (it sounds like him) or he got it somewhere else. Maybe he is beginning to have buyers remorse although he would never admit it to me.
Sound like heartless b@$t@rd$, who the hell cares what the Nazi bastards think.
lol, I think I’ll steal that for a while.
Everybody would like everybody to have health care. The problem lies in how to best achieve that. But the liberals’ plan loses credibility by these simple facts:
The liberals, including Kennedy, “fixed” health care by forming HMOs.
Today they condemn the very HMOs they created.
Now they want to fix the system again.
Do you really think they won’t do just as much damage this time?
“No One Should Die Because They Can’t Afford Health Care”.
“Is it better that everybody have equally rotten socialist health care, with lots of unneeded death, than that most people can afford better health care than some who have to get free care?”
I’m waiting Onumnutz to declare, “The legal system is broken.”
No, but they will die waiting for it when it is rationed by the government.
Agree. Sadly, more and more Americans believe that food, shelter and healthcare are rights. They just don’t get the “how it all is paid for” part. They think greedy capitalist pigs should pay for it. They don’t get that it’s really you, me and all of us paying.
“The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money” Margaret Thatcher
If you agree with this quote, please post it as your status the rest of the day.
But it’s OK for an INFANT to die because “mommy” got drunk one night!
Michelle 0bama as a hospital admin made sure she got rid of thr riff raff people that could not pay.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.