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What if the Goal Isn't Health Care Reform...
American Issues Project ^ | 8-24-09 | Duane Lester

Posted on 09/03/2009 8:41:31 AM PDT by Bodhi1

The national debt is already $11.7 trillion. Obama's budget deficit, according to the administration, is already $1.5 trillion. The health care overhaul would add another trillion to it. Because of the massive debt and the deficit, the Federal Reserve is having a hard time unloading the debt. Actually, they can't unload the debt, so they are printing money to buy it. And rather than looking for ways to lower the debt, the administration is looking to raise the debt limit.

It may be borderline conspiracy theory, but one has to wonder if the goal here isn't reforming health care but reforming America. Obama is already on record as advocating the redistribution of wealth, which was the ultimate goal of Cloward and Piven. How can increasing the national debt limit, $1.5 trillion dollar budget deficits, and another $9 trillion in debt do anything but strain the very foundation of our economic system?

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KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; bhofascism; cloward; communism; democrats; fascism; healthcare; healthcarereform; marxism; obama; obamacare; piven; socialism; socializedmedicine
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1 posted on 09/03/2009 8:41:31 AM PDT by Bodhi1
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What if the Goal Isn't Health Care Reform...

It's not ...

2 posted on 09/03/2009 8:42:58 AM PDT by clamper1797 (If Obama were a paid Soviet agent he could not do more damage ... Sen Thomas Jordan)
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To: Bodhi1
The goal is control.

See...it even ryhmes for them.

3 posted on 09/03/2009 8:44:08 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Bodhi1

Of course the goal is “reforming America”.

It’s not a secret.


4 posted on 09/03/2009 8:44:27 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Bodhi1
one has to wonder if the goal here isn't reforming health care but reforming America.

DUH!!

Now that is a statement of the frikkin obvious.

I knew what Odumbo was going to do the minute he announced his run and I started looking at who he was.

You had to have had your head buried pretty deep not to see what his true agenda was and still is: Full blown Communism.

5 posted on 09/03/2009 8:44:51 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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No Sh*t Sherlock.


6 posted on 09/03/2009 8:45:54 AM PDT by erkyl (We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office --Aesop (~550 BC))
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To: Bodhi1

The goal of health care reform is not health care reform. Its about increasing total control of Americans, controlling their personal wealth, and violating IRS privacy laws.

HR 3200 is ABOUT SOCIAL COONTROL, ADVANCING TOTALITARIANISM.

READ:

What it says, pages 195-196, SEC. 431. DISCLOSURES TO CARRY OUT HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGE SUBSIDIES.

‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary, upon written request from the Health Choices Commissioner or the head of a State-based health insurance exchange approved for operation under section 208 of the America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, shall disclose to officers and employees of the Health Choices Administration or such State-based health insurance exchange, as the case may be, return information of any taxpayer whose income is relevant in determining any affordability credit described in subtitle C of title II of the America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009. Such return information shall be limited to—

‘‘(i) taxpayer identity information with respect to such taxpayer,

‘‘(ii) the filing status of such taxpayer,

‘‘(iii) the modified adjusted gross income of such taxpayer (as defined in section 59B(e)(5)),

‘‘(iv) the number of dependents of the taxpayer,

‘‘(v) such other information as is prescribed by the Secretary by regulation as might indicate whether the taxpayer is eligible for such affordability credits (and the amount thereof), and

‘‘(vi) the taxable year with respect to which the preceding information relates or, if applicable, the fact that such information is not available.


7 posted on 09/03/2009 8:46:29 AM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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You hit on something that most don’t want to look at. You have to ask....”Why the big push and why push so fast and hard?” These people don’t care about you health care!!! It’s total control they want. Control health care and they control every aspect of your life. That’s what’s at issue here. When anyone surrounds themselves with socialists and communists, it’s all about control or the people and the country. If any part of Obama’s health bill gets passed, it’s just the beginning.


8 posted on 09/03/2009 8:46:57 AM PDT by RC2
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—it’s a smooth version of what Salvador Allende was trying to do in Chile thirty-some years ago-—


9 posted on 09/03/2009 8:47:06 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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According to this direct quote from the SEIU bylaws, total control is their goal.

We must organize unorganized Healthcare workers, extending to them the gains of unionism while securing control over the Healthcare industry.

SEIU bylaws pdf
10 posted on 09/03/2009 8:47:45 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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What if the Goal Isn’t Health Care Reform...

It never has been.
The goal has always been power and control resulting in the destruction of America as we know it.


11 posted on 09/03/2009 8:47:45 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Proud to have made Communist Leader Obama's hit list at flag@whitehouse.gov)
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The goal is our enslavement under an Orwellian government. The “reform” of health care is only one element of it. The current deficit and debt have, effectively, enslaved our children and grandchildren. Now they are turning their attention to enslaving the rest of us. From the materials the While House provided to schools for use as “learning opportunities” to go along with the President’s planned speech: “Children, what can YOU do to help the President?”


12 posted on 09/03/2009 8:48:15 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: BenLurkin

The goal is a soft revolution. When the system fails it will be blamed on greedy capitalism which will be replaced with public (government) institutions. Printing all this money will make personal savings worthless and everyone will be dependent on government for their toilet paper and everything else.


13 posted on 09/03/2009 8:48:17 AM PDT by MtnClimber (Bernard Madoff's ponzi scheme looks remarkably similar to the way Social Security works)
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Fore years, the Pew poll had health care as a top priority of only 3-5% of Americans. Even now, after months of fearmongering the issue by the left (press/politicians)...it's still only 20%.

14 posted on 09/03/2009 8:49:32 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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Communist Organizing...er, Communist Organizing...er, that is, "Community" Organizing!
15 posted on 09/03/2009 8:51:27 AM PDT by meandog (GWB IS the reason for BHO!)
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“...one has to wonder if the goal here isn’t reforming health care but reforming America. Obama is already on record as advocating the redistribution of wealth...”

This was all very obvious from the campaign and I don’t know why anyone is surprised by it now.


16 posted on 09/03/2009 8:51:36 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else" Lucius Septimus Severus)
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Not a conspiracy “theory” if they are actively engaged in che’nging America.

It is a REAL conspiracy and it’s been in the works for decades, just like Glenn Beck tells us.


17 posted on 09/03/2009 8:52:32 AM PDT by Califreak (If it's Astroturf, why are you trying to mow it?(sign seen at a town hall meeting))
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It never was.


OBAMA IS AN ABJECT MARXIST IDEOLOGUE

Obama doesn't care about what you or I or anyone else thinks. He is an abject marxist ideologue and he has his mechanism in place.

He didn't go to the Whitehouse to be popular, he went there to bring fundmental change and he has been going about it very effectively since becoming President.

He and his cohorts caused the economic mess that helped usher him into the Presidency. They hate the free market and they hate fundamental republican principle. Since being elected they have methodically and with a will attacked both of these institutions and harmed them terribly.

It is their intent to bring them down and build a marxist command economy on their ashes. Evrything they are doing reflects this. From the stimulus, to the bail-outs, to the health care monstrosity, to Cap & Trade, FOCA, and on and on.

And all of what he has implemented are producing success from Obama's point of view. They are accomplishing exactly what he wants...he does not want to repair the economy, the auto industry, the banking and credit industries, energy, health care, etc., etc. as most Americans would define repairing them. He wants to fix it as in "the fix is in", as in controlling it.

And that is exactly what he is doing.

Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and their cohorts will lie, blow smoke, deceive, cajole, and give as many Presidential speeches, presentations, addresses to congress, etc. as it takes to draw this out so he can continue progressing towwards his goals. When you understand this about him and his administration and the cohorts in the House and Senate...everything comes into focus.

Luckily, their over-reach on health care has awakened a large part of the American citizenry.

Because health care effects everyone, and because the American people intrinsically know that government bureaucracy makes things less efficient, the American people are downloading the Dem Health Care Plan HERE and elsewhere and reading it for themselves.

They are also reading the cited quotes of the main architect of the plan and Chief Advisor to Obama on Health Care HERE and elsewhere, and seeing the context of the plan from the designer of it.

So, when other Americans and conservatives like Sarah Palin declares that the PLan is a monstrosity and that it is downright evil, they know for themselves that it is true.

Thus, the American people (the proverbial giant) is waking up and the question is now can they wake up quickly enough, can they make such an out and out hue and cry and force enough democratic and RINO representatives to be more afraid of then, the constituents for their political life than they are of Pelosi, Reid, and Obama and stop the Health Care plan.

Then, can they maintain that energy long enough to completely route the democrats, despite ACORN and voter fraud, in 2010?

I believe we can. And I hope and pray that the events in DC of 912 punctuate this and make it clear.


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18 posted on 09/03/2009 8:53:25 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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Of course it's not about healthcare. That should be obvious. Obama needed an emotionally appealing issue to increase government control. That has always been his goal. More and more people are sensing this and reacting.
19 posted on 09/03/2009 9:03:57 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (Obama= epic FAIL.)
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The goal is not reform, it is transformation. It is all about control and another cog in the machinery to turn this country into a country the far left can “own.”


20 posted on 09/03/2009 9:05:12 AM PDT by bamagirl1944 (That's short for Alabama, not Obama)
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