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Another Stupid Argument: Health Care is a Right
Aaron Opine Blog ^ | 8/31/09 | Aaron

Posted on 08/31/2009 9:07:49 PM PDT by aaronopine

Proponents of a government-run health system would like us to believe that universal health care is a right owed to every citizen of the United States of America (and illegal aliens). However, this assertion is plagued with the typical liberal-logic, which is almost always completely devoid of any actual logic and common sense. Let’s examine their notion in greater detail.

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TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: healthcare; obama; obamacare; rights

1 posted on 08/31/2009 9:07:49 PM PDT by aaronopine
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To: aaronopine

Well, legal representation is a right.
Food is a right.
Now, health insurance is a right.

Wow, why do I work so hard?

This isn’t RIGHT!


2 posted on 08/31/2009 9:09:08 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: aaronopine
Their stupid chant, "Healthcare is a right, not a privilege!" drives me crazy. Hey numbnuts -- it's neither.
3 posted on 08/31/2009 9:10:12 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: RepublitarianRoger2

While I sit on my ass doing nothing, I am due, 3 full square meals a day, a roof over my head, a state paid doctor to meet my needs.


4 posted on 08/31/2009 9:12:32 PM PDT by spyone (ridiculum)
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To: spyone

Yup...it’s right there in the Constitution...at least I think it is...right next to the free health care right...hold on...can’t seem to find it...that’s strange.

Note that I didn’t even need to refer to the Constitution to refute this dumb argument.


5 posted on 08/31/2009 9:14:10 PM PDT by aaronopine
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To: aaronopine
Let's End This FReepathon Tonight!
6 posted on 08/31/2009 9:21:38 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR...Monthly Donors Wanted...I Upped My Monthly. Now, Up Yours.)
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To: aaronopine

Let’s see, what other human “needs” can we magically transform into state-sponsored rights:

Food?
Housing?
Clothing?
Humans need companionship. Should the state be obligated to provide companionship? If so, how would THAT work?
Entertainment?


7 posted on 08/31/2009 9:27:35 PM PDT by Adams
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To: aaronopine
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8 posted on 08/31/2009 9:28:27 PM PDT by End_Clintonism_Now (POLITICAL DISSIDENT as of 11/4/08)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

This is the best analysis:

http://mises.org/story/3657


9 posted on 08/31/2009 9:28:39 PM PDT by Syrin23
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To: aaronopine

If you’re a fascist and you can’t come up with a coherent argument for some entitlement handout you want, just throw tantrums insisting that it is a ‘right’. Right out of the Leftist playbook.


10 posted on 08/31/2009 9:35:45 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Conservatives allow the guilty to be executed but Lefties insist that the innocent be executed.)
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To: spyone
"While I sit on my ass doing nothing, I am due, 3 full square meals a day, a roof over my head, a state paid doctor to meet my needs.

Sounds like prison

11 posted on 08/31/2009 9:59:43 PM PDT by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: Adams
Let’s see, what other human “needs” can we magically transform into state-sponsored Working Taxpayer-funded rights:

There.
Fixed it for you.

12 posted on 08/31/2009 10:09:11 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Obama Garden Club: Nothing but plants.)
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To: aaronopine

I heard some libtard caller on some radio show the other day who claimed that the “life” part of “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” is where you find the “inalienable right” to healthcare in the Constitution. Because, of course, if you’re, like, dead, then you don’t have life — so, you know, everyone has a right to health care to protect their life.

Never mind that that phrase is in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

Also never mind that that phrase came from John Locke, whose original quote was that “no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions.” Well, I’d say that Obamacare is going to harm a lot of others in their life and health!


13 posted on 08/31/2009 10:16:37 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger2
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14 posted on 08/31/2009 10:27:55 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: RepublitarianRoger2

I heard “health care is a right” recently in a grocery store.

I replied, “Then why are you on the left?” and kept walking.


15 posted on 09/01/2009 12:54:24 AM PDT by This_far
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To: aaronopine
Good article. A 'universal right' is another way to say 'collective right.' Only the government can actually possess a collective right. That is the basis of Marxist communism.

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I oppose Health Care Reform (HCR) because it is a direct assault on individual liberties. I think that is its main purpose.

HCR is not just about rationing and wealth redistribution. It's about the end of all individual rights as the corrosive effects of the new collectivist basic human right to health care spreads throughout the legal and political system like a virus.

Congressman Anthony Weiner says that health care is not a commodity. If health care is not a commodity then doctors and nurses are not free and sovereign citizens. If health care is a right then health care workers are slaves to that right who must serve it. No health care worker could refuse to provide their services, for any reason, because that would violate the patient's basic human right to health care.

That means that health care providers have no individual rights. The collective right of the people to receive health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set their fees, their hours or change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it is a right that is provided by the government to all not protected by the government as something possessed by each person. It is also a state right because it supersedes the individual rights of others when the two come into conflict.

It isn't stated in any of the bills that a patient's rights to care supersedes a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights are always adjudicated in the courts. The legislation simply establishes the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the patient's collective right to health care.

Weiner’s view is collectivist, fascist and totalitarian. Collectivist because it is superior to an individual right. Fascist because it is overseen by one entity the Federal government. Totalitarian because the Federal government is the true possessor of this collective right and the administrator and enforcer of it as well.

Congressman Weiner's view is the underlying philosophy of the entire Health Care Reform legislation the House and Senate have put forth. Consider the setting up of community watch dogs to monitor various health parameters of citizens in the Senate version of the bill. Look at pages 382 - 393.

TITLE I—QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS

Even the citizens themselves will be subject to state set regulations on their behavior in order to fulfill the human right of universal health care. It isn't the individual's liberty that is being protected by that it is the state's control over its health care system that is being guarded. How much clearer can it be that these bills abrogate the concept of individual rights?

Health Care is a Liberty Issue Conservative Underground - 18 August 2009 - Tim Dunkin

Second Bill of Rights aka FDR's economic bill of rights (An early attempt to embed collective rights into American politics and society.)

16 posted on 09/01/2009 11:52:56 AM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: aaronopine
That's funny - true rights pre-date government, which is instituted (or Constituted) in order to protect those rights. In addition, the exercise of my rights places no burden or obligation on another.

Seems to me that Universal Health Care fails both of these simple tests.

Next time someone tells you it is a right, ask them "OK, name one other 'right' that the government can fine me $10,000 for failing to exercise?"

17 posted on 09/02/2009 10:01:29 AM PDT by bt_dooftlook (John Adams: Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate)
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