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Notes From A Cop (Is a Revolution or Civil War On The Horizon?)
E-Mail | August 28, 2009 | Deputy Scott Wagner

Posted on 08/28/2009 6:00:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Email I received earlier. Don’t know if it’s accurate or not, but very scary:

The fear on the street is palpable. Ever since the election of Barack Obama as President of these United States in November 2008, coupled with the election of a Democrat party majority in both the U.S. House and Senate, concern for the United States and personal safety has ignited like a fire in dry grass.

Sales of guns – black guns, rifles, shotguns and handguns (particularly 9mm) everywhere, have gone through the roof. AR15s have literally flown off of dealer shelves, and only now in the spring of 2009, have I seen the display samples of ARs begin to reappear on the wall of my favorite shooting emporium after the initial post election rush.

Manufacturers of ARs are still working to catch up and some of the major suppliers are as much as 150,000 guns behind. Not only that, ammo is in the shortest supply I have ever seen in the 43 years of my shooting life. Have you recently tried to get 5.56mm, 9mm or even 380 ammo?

Supplies of 5.56mm and 9mm ammo are in short supply due to the black gun buying craze; .380ACP because of the rise in people getting concealed carry permits and the resurgence of interest in convenient 380 handguns like the fine Ruger LCP. In fact, in doing a review of the Ruger LCP, my gun store only had a sma ll supply of ONE .380 round on hand, the Winchesters 95-grain SXT, which they had just gotten in. Unfortunately, I had to do a 30-round review of that pistol. There was none other to be found.

What is odd about this new fear is that it is not coming from the average citizen gun owner out there, but it is coming from what to me is an almost shocking source: street cops.

Street cops and SWAT cops that I know from various agencies – rural, suburban and metro – in my area are scared. Cops that before November 2008 never gave much thought (that I knew of anyway) to politics or more importantly to gun rights. For the most part, these are the guys that didn’t generally have any interest in shooting or gun ownership beyond keeping track of where their duty gun is, and a few of them didn’t even do that so well.

The guys I am talking about now are some of the same guys who used to not even carry off duty on a regular basis -- but not anymore. They don’t scare easily, defenders of the Constitution of this State and the United States (as our oath of office reads), have been buying ARs, survival gear, and all the ammo they can lay their hands on. All of them (or I should say “us”) have been discussing and have been acquiring guns to provide a layered perimeter defense.

What are we suddenly so afraid of? Well in our discussions it seems to boil down to four areas.

First, fear of federal government intrusion into our lives. Every time I look at or listen to the news, there is something new and intrusive coming out of the Obama administration and this Congress. New tax schemes, government-run Canadian-style healthcare, a volunteer citizen defense force (whatever that is, what happened to the National Guard?) equipped with funding similar to our military, forced voluntary “service” after retirement, a lack of a southern border with hordes of illegal and criminal aliens pouring over our border, the swine flu scare as well as government forced closing of thousands of privately held Chrysler and GM dealerships, which will be the final nail in the coffin for these companies and the list goes on and on.

But these items in the news are just the tip of the iceberg. We can’t see the full impact of these actions yet, but we don’t know what was added into the thousand of pages of stimulus package bills in the dead of night yet. I predict however that when the plans contained in the stimulus packages go into effect, a lot of us are going to be surprised if not shocked by what has suddenly and sweepingly changed.

What also scares us is the second, well-founded fear that there is an assault weapons ban looming, one that would make the Clinton Ban appear like a look of disdain in comparison. I remember well the 1990s and the Clinton years: the rise of militia groups, the “black helicopter” rumors and paranoia, all of which was motivated by the Brady20Law and the Assault Weapon’s ban. What if a new ban comes requiring registration or confiscation and turn-in of banned weapons as what happened in Australia ?

...I foresee much civil disobedience coming down the road. Americans are citizens, and not subjects like the British, Canadians or Australians. They just don’t always obey the law blindly and not one officer or citizen that I spoke to said anything like “I hope I get to keep this gun for awhile before they are banned; They are fun to shoot, so I would hate to give it up.” It isn’t going to happen, so the cop on the street and the soldier on the base needs to think now what he will do if the orders come down. I think you all get what I am saying here.

Which leads me to the third fear, that there is a revolution coming, yes, a revolution on the scale of the original American Revolution. You can hear this topic discussed on many of the talk radio shows by even the big name hosts. The possibility of an armed revolution against the U.S. government being discussed, albeit very gingerly and fleetingly and as something to be avoided, which it is. I never heard this mentioned in the 90s. One of my quietest, low profile officer friends brought it up the other day.

He said that at some point in the near future, he felt there is going to be an armed revolt if things keep going the way they are. Something has got to give. I was shocked. Yes, I had heard this from some of my more radical cop friends in the past, but to hear it from a guy like this was unprecedented. Now, these guys are not saying this will happen to foment revolution, preach sedition or to even participate. They just want to be ready if it happens, to at least defend their families, because number four on the fear list is general societal chaos.

Cops fear for their parents, wives, children or grandchildren more now than ever before. Most cops are encouraging their spouses and loved ones to get concealed carry permits. Not only that, but some of these same cops are buying gun mounts for their personal cars so they can carry an AR in the family ride at the ready all the time. They are also strapping on heavier forms of off-duty hardware. I have other friends that are issued ARs or subguns for tactical team use, who always have their gear with them and are planning on just commandeering these weapons for personal use in defending hearth and home.

Final Notes

This is pretty heady and maybe even dangerous stuff. Know fully that I am not advocating anything here. I am reflecting to you what I see and hear going on around me, and maybe saying things that haven’t been said in the open, until now. It is something to think about.

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Written By; Scott Wagner is a Police Academy Commander and Professor at Columbus State Community College in Columbus Ohio, and Commander of the 727 Counter Terror Training Unit. A 29 year law enforcement veteran, and current Deputy Sheriff, he is the Precision Marksman for the Union County Sheriff’s Office SRT Team.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: agenda; banglist; bho44; congress; cwii; democrats; economy; glennbeck; obama
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1 posted on 08/28/2009 6:00:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Unrestrained, the Hugo Chavez in our WhiteHouse and his Communist/Marxist allies would make American into another Venezuela.
2 posted on 08/28/2009 6:06:45 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Civil War 2

free ebook download

highly recommended

www.timebomb2000.com/misc/CWII.pdf


3 posted on 08/28/2009 6:08:02 PM PDT by American Silver Eagle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I predict however that when the plans contained in the stimulus packages go into effect, a lot of us are going to be surprised if not shocked by what has suddenly and sweepingly changed.

Especially when the likes of Apollo Alliance wrote it!
4 posted on 08/28/2009 6:10:01 PM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (“Cap and Trade bill tells us how to live.. Health Care bill tells us how to die.” Bauer and Rose)
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To: American Silver Eagle

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

This is a good resource, I like the idea.


5 posted on 08/28/2009 6:10:18 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bottom line, local cops in the sticks will have to choose between the locals and the feds. There has always been tension, but it may become a hot reality. The sticks don’t respect the gov, never did and with the meltdown that may be right around the corner, creditability of the feds may be reduced to zero (like our dollar)thanks to Obama. Race isn’t a factor here.


6 posted on 08/28/2009 6:10:38 PM PDT by dila813
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I just forwarded to cop buddies and am awaiting their critique. I suspect i already know their responses...” a little exaggerated, but not loony”.


7 posted on 08/28/2009 6:12:08 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Exactly who are all these cops afraid of, if the complete denial of the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution, or martial law, is ever ordered?

And don't they feel lucky that while they are stocking up on fully automatic weapons and high-powered police-only ammunition, none of those same weapons or ammo are available to the citizenry?

8 posted on 08/28/2009 6:13:18 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Somethings going to give, things can’t stretch much more!


9 posted on 08/28/2009 6:13:58 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ooh, a cop and a professor. Two kinds of people I’m happy to avoid wrapped up in one.


10 posted on 08/28/2009 6:15:08 PM PDT by KingLudd
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

On which side would the police and military be? - the people or the government?


11 posted on 08/28/2009 6:16:06 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Freedom First in 2010)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You would think ammo makers would be working overtime but from what I hear our gov’t is somehow now blocking what is produced and/or brought into the country? Any reports from Winchester insiders?


12 posted on 08/28/2009 6:17:17 PM PDT by RushingWater
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When my husband saw his doctor last week, she told him that her husband who never shot a gun, owned a gun, handled a gun went shopping for guns (plural) and has signed up for classes and is at the range practicing every chance he gets because he doesn’t like what he’s seeing. He’s not alone!!!

It’s amazing and unbelievable that people on the left look at gunowners and the importance of the 2nd Amendment as something from another planet. It’s they who live in a different world - not us!


13 posted on 08/28/2009 6:17:17 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Written By; Scott Wagner

...a Police Academy Commander and Professor at Columbus State Community College in Columbus Ohio, and Commander of the 727 Counter Terror Training Unit.

A 29 year law enforcement veteran, and current Deputy Sheriff, he is the Precision Marksman for the Union County Sheriff’s Office SRT Team.

Unlike the authors of MANY such "forwarded e-mails," Commander Wagner does seem to be legitimate.

From www.CSCC.edu/LawEnforcement/contacts.shtm:

Scott Wagner, Professor

BA Ohio State University. primary teaching areas are patrol tactics, firearms and criminology. Former Reynoldsburg police officer and current Union County deputy sheriff.


14 posted on 08/28/2009 6:19:33 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: RonDog; ExTexasRedhead

Thanks for doing the legwork, RonDog, and hat tip to ExTexasRedhead for the e-mail.


15 posted on 08/28/2009 6:25:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $1 million for Sarah Palin if she runs; What will you do?)
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To: American Silver Eagle

Half of that report is tin foil.


16 posted on 08/28/2009 6:25:54 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: School of Rational Thought
gummit workers will side with gummit...that's where they get their fat paychecks and benefits and outrageous pensions....they'll fight for their money....

do don't rely on them....

17 posted on 08/28/2009 6:26:10 PM PDT by cherry
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As soon as “American Idol” is over.

There are Freepers who post they won’t join the NRA even when it’s giving away memberships because “the NRA sends too many letters”.

What were all those waiting in line to get into a gunshow doing on election day?


18 posted on 08/28/2009 6:31:43 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Holy Moly! All this just because the president is Black!

We must be the most racist nation on earth! (Sarcasm)

19 posted on 08/28/2009 6:32:11 PM PDT by right way right
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To: RushingWater

All the manufacturers have been working 24/7 since the elections.


20 posted on 08/28/2009 6:33:48 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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