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McCain supports Hitler-esque “Wellness Incentives”
Phoenix Libertarian Examiner ^ | 2009-08-27 | Daniel Heller

Posted on 08/27/2009 4:41:42 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

That’s what he said, albeit with the omission of “Hitler-esque,” last night at his town hall meeting in North Central Phoenix. During his introductory speech, after hammering the Democrats for trying to push through the “public option” (a euphemism for socialized healthcare), he then went on to describe ways healthcare costs could be brought down, emphasizing, “We have the best quality healthcare in the world. Our goal is to preserve the quality (of healthcare) while making it more affordable.”

His three main ideas to bring down healthcare costs: 1) Freeing up insurance markets and competition so Americans can buy different policies across state lines. (Okey-dokey, there. Doesn’t sound too bad. Competition almost always leads to lower prices, unless the competition unites to fix prices, or, the government “option” itself fixes prices through price controls—Obama’s illiterate idea of “competition.”); 2) Tort reform. (Stricter laws against frivolous lawsuits protecting productive citizens—America’s physicians—against blood-sucking creeps like John Edwards. Then make the loser pay. Rather than hiring ignorant federal bureaucrats to tell physicians how to do their jobs, a little tort reform would lower costs by eliminating the need for physicians to perform unneeded tests. Socialists, in their typical class-warfare zeal, blindly believe that physicians conspire around the world to repress the masses by testing them too much in order to increase costs. They don’t. I know, personally, because my father is a physician and many other members of my family have worked in the healthcare business their entire lives—as physicians, nurses or administrators. The scary people in white coats perform the extra tests so they don’t get sued out of existence by, again, creeps like John Edwards.); and lastly 3) “Wellness incentives.” (Uh-oh.)

McCain was on the right track until he hit this number. Of course, being a mainstream Republican, he’s not really in favor of de-socializing (that is, liberalizing) medicine to the extent that it’s already socialized. In order to do that, he would have to favor privatizing Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare. McCain (nor any other mainstream Republican, for that matter) will ever favor such sensible moves toward freeing our healthcare system from government control. Now he’s proposing (and probably considering “reaching across the aisle” again) a classical fascist initiative: giving Americans incentives to live healthier lives, that is, lives the government deems healthy. In his speech, he targeted smokers, drinkers and crackled on about the “obesity problem.” Great. The health Nazis and fun-suckers (thank you, P.J. O’Rourke) have a new hero to cry to in their crusade to evade and fight death as they force others to live miserable, guilt-ridden lives until their time comes. To any historian or average American willing to spend some work-time on the internet, it’s no secret that Hitler was an avid promoter of health-consciousness. As the Hitler Youth used to say: “Your nutrition is not a private matter!” Obama and McCain agree.


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 111th; angrymob; bhohealthcare; healthcare; liberalfascism; lping; mccain; mccain4fascism; mccaintruthfile; mchitler; rino; rinos4obama; rinos4socialism; socialism; townhall; townhalls
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To: bamahead

bttt


21 posted on 08/27/2009 5:27:21 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (May God save the American Republic.)
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To: rabscuttle385

is there anyway we can get the Republican party to entice Mr. McCain to sit down and shut up.


22 posted on 08/27/2009 5:32:07 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Candor7

ya maybe he needs death counil


23 posted on 08/27/2009 5:33:30 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: SJackson
>There’s noting Hitleresque about anything McCain said

This is a new low
for the fringe "conservatives."
He's Republican

and they compare him
to Hitler. I hate this crap.
And I hate to see

Freepers embracing
this effing LaRouche brand of
attack politics.

24 posted on 08/27/2009 5:37:47 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: dalebert

I wonder if Cindy would pull the plug on Johno?


25 posted on 08/27/2009 5:38:26 PM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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To: Candor7

i would hope so..


26 posted on 08/27/2009 5:39:57 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: rabscuttle385

I can’t believe that this man ran against Obama in the last election. It’s like he threw the election


27 posted on 08/27/2009 5:43:05 PM PDT by jmcenanly
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To: theFIRMbss
You need to do some reading.


28 posted on 08/27/2009 5:43:10 PM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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To: Candor7

McSTOOGE.............

Nothing this Clown does can surprise me.

HE’s A WALKING BOZO for the Democratic Party!


29 posted on 08/27/2009 5:47:29 PM PDT by EnglishOnly (Fight all out to win OR get out now.)
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To: Candor7
>You need to do some reading

The danger I see
is large numbers of people
are re-defining

conservative thought
away from Edmund Burke stuff
toward lunacy stuff.

Outside observers
would think "conservative" means
a person who hates

everything, lives in
fear of everything and can't
face the modern world.

Dredging up demons--
Hitler, Stalin, death panels--
is about dark minds,

not about the world,
the real world, and not about
conservative thought.

30 posted on 08/27/2009 5:59:29 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: rabscuttle385
"Wellness" used to be called physical fitness. That is an entirely different philosophy and industry than "health care" which used to be called medicine. While physical fitness certainly will lead to less medical costs, generally speaking, it isn't really the province of the medical field to do anything other than report its findings in research about the effects of fitness on overall health.

It is not a coincidence that the promoters of government run "health care" are blurring the lines between physical fitness promotion and medical care. The first is a liberty issue involving your own choices for your own behavior. The second is a consumer issue involving a very personal but professional contractual relationship that you seek out when you need it not want it.

These two fields of health concern, which both have large industries built on them, are related but are not the same. The medical field is burdened enough with treatment of and recovery from disease and injury. Doctors and nurses don't need to be told to encourage their patients to take personal responsibility for their own health. They have always done so.

But they don't need the burden and the unethical practice of being nannies over the lifestyles of their patients. And that is exactly what the government has been pressuring medical practitioners to do for some time and intends to force more of on them with the philosophy of "Universal" health care.

Reject government intrusion into your life through your doctor's office and your pharmacist's shop. This goes way beyond restricting where you can smoke and what oil your restaurant fries its chicken in. They are redesigning the medical field to become government agents in charge of how you live your life.

31 posted on 08/27/2009 6:04:26 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: theFIRMbss
No one is dredging this stuff up. Its right in front of your face. Of course conservatives in Europe thought as you do, until the national socialists came for them.

In every case where the natinalsocialsits came to pwer in Europe, the conservatiive political class was destroyed ecnomically and socially.

Maybe you might think twice and read.

We are far beyond any possibility of nobless oblige.

32 posted on 08/27/2009 6:17:16 PM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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To: theFIRMbss; Candor7; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; Clintonfatigued; SolidWood; Sarah Barracuda
Dredging up demons--
Hitler, Stalin, death panels--
is about dark minds,

Nice try with the veiled attack on Sarah Palin right there.

Conservatism is also about learning from the past and not repeating history's mistakes. And, to that end, no one here is "dredging up demons" but rather attempting to ensure that the horrors of the various twentieth century experiments in collectivism, fascism, statism, communism, and assorted other -isms are not buried and placed out of sight, lest twenty-first century America go down the same path as the failed states of the twentieth century.

33 posted on 08/27/2009 6:21:22 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (May God save the American Republic.)
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To: rabscuttle385
>Nice try with the veiled attack on Sarah Palin right there

Oh, for heaven's sake.
I don't like populism.
There's nothing "veiled" there.

And I don't "attack"
individuals, I hate
certain modes of thought.


34 posted on 08/27/2009 6:28:10 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: TigersEye
Reject government intrusion into your life through your doctor's office and your pharmacist's shop. This goes way beyond restricting where you can smoke and what oil your restaurant fries its chicken in. They are redesigning the medical field to become government agents in charge of how you live your life.

Well said!

35 posted on 08/27/2009 6:36:40 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (elected officials should be required to pass drug, alcohol & dementia testing)
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To: rabscuttle385

I thought some of McCain’s favorite words were “Party on, dudes.” How can he lecture anybody about wellness?


36 posted on 08/27/2009 6:47:21 PM PDT by Cloverfarm (Where are we going, and why are we in a hand-basket?)
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To: rabscuttle385

Please, let him lose the primary.


37 posted on 08/27/2009 6:53:58 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: SJackson

“There’s noting Hitleresque about anything McCain said, though the author is entitled to make a fool of himself.”

No there isn’t. Some folks nowadays get a little too wild with the Hitler/Nazi references. We saw it with the Dems and Bush and we see it with some well meaning folks now. 95% of the time when somebody plays the Hitler or Nazi card they come out looking foolish.


38 posted on 08/27/2009 7:37:41 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: EnglishOnly
Imagine a Lurch/McLame ticket in 2004?


39 posted on 08/27/2009 8:52:49 PM PDT by thecraw (Christian by choice, American by the grace of God.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I’m no fan of John McCain, but:

1) Encouraging the free market - WOW! That is JUST what Hitler did in Nazi Germany. /s

2) Tort Reform - Oh how very “Hiltleresque”! /s

3) Wellness Incentives - Why SHOULDN’T people who take better care of themselves (and trust me, I am NOT one of them) get better health insurance rates than those of us who don’t? Better drivers get lower car insurance rates; lower risk folks get better homeowner’s insurance rates. What’s the difference? Unless the “inecentives” become “directives” there is nothing even remotely Fascist about this proposal. (NOT /s)


40 posted on 08/28/2009 4:34:25 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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