the world has lost its way when gay pervert couples like this todd & warner houston (how sick they use the same name like proper woman taking mans name).
they put their problems into the church like a disease, thed lutherans must ALL answer to god soon for this sin.
LCMS Lutheran here. My quip was, “You know you’re in trouble when even Gaia says you aren’t Christian anymore.”
It’s too frustrating, and saddening to put into words. My heart breaks when I hear news like this - that it seems there is no longer any right and wrong in the world. If you can’t turn to the church for guidance, where do you go?
From what I hear, the tornado hit the convention center at the exact time the vote was scheduled to take place.
There are so many weird things about the ELCA’s decision. For instance, two homosexuals could live together without being married, but if a man and woman were shacking up in the rectory, all hades would break loose. Maybe at this point, the ELCA congregation would be happy that they were heterosexual. How any Christian can remain within the ELCA is beyond me.
In fact two Pennsylvania Synods did select raging alcoholics as their Bishop.
* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.
I knew this was coming and that is why I left the ELCA over a year ago. They need to rename it... the ALCA... Apostate Lutheran Congregation of America.
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There are some rather pointed condemnations in the scriptures regarding homosexuality. Sodom and Gomorrah come to mind.
Gosh, I guess I am just one of those bitter conservatives, clinging to my guns and Bible!
Perhaps, but not according to God
It is more difficult to sympathize with a sin you do not understand, and remarkably easy to demonize it.
Sin has no need to be 'demonized' it is what it is, and those that have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them recognize it and try to avoid it. When they can't avoid sinning, which is the natural state of man since the Fall, the same Spirit convicts them and drives them to repent.
You don't see the same demonization of other sins, especially the more common ones.
Sin doesn't need demonization for believers.
Why not ordain unrepentant active drunks? Really, what's the difference?
There is none.
Or is this a refutation or redefinition of the biblical teachings regarding homosexuality?
Yes. The real question should be; "If active homosexuality is not sin, what is?" If unrepentant sin is OK, then the Law is invalid and there is no need for the Gospel and Christ died for nothing. I am not ELCA but I am a Lutheran unlike those wretched who subscribe to this abomination passed by their 'leaders'. This and many other ELCA activities are a result of a lack of spiritual teaching and the desire to treat the Word of God like libs do the Constitution; as a living document to be bent to people's will instead of people acting in accordance with God's will.
Way before the current happenings. In May of 1999 I began doing what I could to convince my congregation (that is the congregation of which I am a member) to leave the elca. Along with others, I spent lots of time and treasure making it happen. We are now part of LCMC.
Take a look at lcmc.net.
I’m not a Lutheran, I’m a Roman Catholic, but I have a special relationship with the church and a particular interest in it.
Keep it simple.
Do you believe in Hell?
Do you believe in Satan?
Do you believe that evil exists?
Do you believe in sin?
Jesus preached and instructed on all of these things. He was very clear about them.
I would bet that if you countered the clergy who have put forth this false teaching in the Lutheran church that they might all hem and haw and pause to justify or clarify their answers on these very simple questions. The same way that they can wangle their way out of ambiguity as it regards homosexuality to having practicing homosexuals on their altars.
If you can “reinterpret” or justify or morally rationalize any one obvious truth, then you can pretty much justify anything.
I feel for my friends in the ELCA. I read that a few are staying to fight. I would leave that church if I were a member.
I am ELCA (today) but I don't think I will be clicking through to comment.
I'll assume the comment was meant to provoke, because the fallacy of your proposition is too glaring to overlook, too towering to ignore.
There's no organized presence in the church seeking to argue that Scripture doesn't really condemn the thief, that Scripture has somehow been superceded by a "New Thing."
There's also no organized presence in the church advocating for thieves to be pastors.
To paraphrase Michael Medved, "The 'love that dare not mention it's name' has been repaced by 'the love that refuses to shut up!'"
Why is it that the older protestant denominations are becoming liberal? The denomination that has Luther’s name on it? Luther and the rest started a revival that got us to get back to the basics - the Bible. Now we need another reformation - a protestant protestant reformation. Denominations mean power, and power means corruption. I’ll keep my non-denominational Christianity, thank you very much.
The moment I found out that my pastor was an active homosexual he/she would cease being my pastor.