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OBAMA KNEW HE WASN’T ELIGIBLE FOR POTUS
Give Me Liberty ^ | 8/12/09 | Lynn Dartez

Posted on 08/12/2009 5:27:31 PM PDT by pissant

If one were to look at the activity on Capitol Hill during the campaign, there would be no question in their minds that both McCain and Obama were sweating the “natural born citizen” issue.

How do we arrive at that conclusion? We take McCain’s ingrained, glib advice and “Look at the record, my friends“.

Doing just that, we find that back on February 28, 2008, Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) introduced a bill to the Senate for consideration. That bill was known as S. 2678: Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act. The bill was co-sponsored by Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ), and Sen. Thomas Coburn (R-OK).

Bill S. 2678 attempted to change article II, section 1, clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States with reference to the requirements of being a “natural born citizen” and hence; the entitlement to run for President of the United States. This bill met the same fate that similar attempts to change the Constitution have in the past. Attempts such as The Natural Born Citizen Act were known to have failed and the text scrubbed from the internet, with only a shadow-cached copy left, that only the most curious public can find.

Sen. McCaskill, her co-sponsors, fellow colleagues and legal counsel, contend that the Constitution is ambiguous in article II, section 1 and requires clarification. But does it? According to the framers and such drafters as John Bingham, we find the definition to be quite clear:

I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen… . . – John Bingham in the United States House on March 9, 1866

From the days of James Madison to the present, the courts have held that the amendment process be justiciable in accordance with its constitutionality and not self-serving or political. But is that what happened here? Again, we must go to the record.

Within only five short weeks after Senate Bill 2678 faded from the floor, we find Sen. Claire McCaskill back again, making another attempt with Senate Resolution 511. On April 10, 2008, she introduced a secondary proposal in the form of a non-binding resolution, recognizing John McCain as a “natural born citizen” in defiance of the Constitution. Curiously, it contained the same identical co-sponsors, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

ABCNews.com reported:

“With questions – however serious – about whether Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., is eligible to run for president since he was born outside U.S. borders on an American Naval base, Sens. Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo. today introduced a non-binding resolution expressing the sense of the U.S. Senate that McCain qualifies as a “natural born Citizen,” as specified in the Constitution and eligible for the highest office in the land.

Co-sponsors include Sens. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, and Barack Obama, D-Illinois; Leahy said he anticipates it will pass unanimously.”

One has to wonder — what dire urgency could there possibly have been in persisting with trying to legislate a candidate into being a “natural born citizen”? Certainly providing a birth certificate and reading the Constitution would be more than sufficient. Why did these candidates and their wishful nominees go to such lengths in the Senate when obviously, they had more pressing matters to attend to? And why were there two Senators co-sponsoring such an issue, twice, who were in direct competition with John McCain in the 2008 election?

One answer is that looking at John McCain’s long-form birth certificate reveals he was not a natural born citizen and Barack Obama hasn’t submitted his long-form at all. John McCain was born in an “unincorporated territory”, held by the courts to be not part of the United States for constitutional purposes. Barack Obama has submitted only a Certification of Live Birth, but Hawaii law will certify a live birth using that document for births that occurred even outside of the country. Furthermore, Barack Obama’s father was Kenyan and never an American citizen. Since the status of citizenship occurs at birth, this makes Barack Obama a citizen if born in Hawaii, but not a natural born citizen. One must have two citizen parents, at the time of birth, and be born on U.S. soil, to be deemed a natural born citizen and be declared eligible for the presidency. The Senate, for all their trouble, cannot legislate a person’s born status. It happens at birth, according to the law.

While Senate Bill 2678 fell to the wayside, Senate Resolution 511 was passed on April 30, 2008 as a non-binding resolution. However, S.R. 511 is not a law, but rather, a unanimous opinion. Technically, it means absolutely nothing what they’ve written as it’s not a law, nor did the matter reach the House for review. It’s a stepping-stone in the larger scheme of things that haven’t happened yet; the push to change our Constitution.

World Net Daily reported on November 13, 2008:

More than a half-dozen legal challenges have been filed in federal and state courts demanding President-elect Barack Obama’s decertification from ballots or seeking to halt elector meetings, claiming he has failed to prove his U.S. citizenship status.

An Obama campaign spokeswoman told WND the complaints are unfounded.

“All I can tell you is that it is just pure garbage,” she said. “There have been several lawsuits, but they have been dismissed.”

Perhaps someone should have informed Obama’s spokeswoman that many of these cases have not been dismissed at all, rather they are mounting, and her statements are in fact, pure “garbage”.

Then perhaps someone may prompt an answer from the Obama spokespeople as to why they were entertaining the thought of fiddling with the United States Constitution back in February and April of THIS YEAR? Perhaps because it was in the best interest of Sen. Obama.

Then what of Sen. Claire McCaskill? What possible interest could she have had in these proceedings and leading the charge with her proposals? Was it a bonafide Constitutional issue of judicial importance, or rather a political one?

Digging further into the record we find that according to Wikki and subsequent footnotes therein:

“In January 2008, Claire McCaskill decided to endorse Senator Barack Obama in his campaign for the Democratic nomination for the presidential elections of 2008, making her one of the first senators to do so. She has been one of the most visible faces for his campaign.[14] McCaskill’s support was crucial to Obama’s narrow victory in the Missouri primary in February, 2008. She had been frequently mentioned as a possible vice presidential choice of Senator Obama in the 2008 run for the White House…”

So what we see is a definite political motive being dragged into the Senate for the purposes of legitimizing the 2008 candidates. But if these candidates were legitimate already, there would obviously be no reason for these proceedings.

So political was the motive of McCaskill, even Missouri’s Governor, Matt Blunt revealed that Sen. McCaskill was involved in the “abusive use of Missouri Law Enforcement“. This was dubbed as the “Truth Squad” during the election campaign by the media. The Truth Squad was comprised of Missouri officials and attorneys who set up shop on the streets of Missouri and threatened the public with criminal penalties and lawsuits if they engaged in critical speech against Sen. Obama. The Obama campaign also issued cease and desist letters to media station managers who carried advertisers who were unfriendly towards Barack Obama, namely, the NRA. Citizen outrage prompted this response from Governor Blunt:

“Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.

What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.”

Considering these facts and the judicial record, there is every reason to believe that Sen. McCaskill had no interest in resolving Sen. McCain’s eligibility, but Sen. Obama’s long-term. She manipulated the Senate and then threatened the media and the public thereafter, politically motivated at the prospect of becoming Obama’s Vice-Presidential pick. But it didn’t stop there.

Chairman Patrick J. Leahy entered into the Senate record a legal analysis of two high-powered attorneys hired by Sen. McCain – Theodore Olson and Laurence Tribe - both of whom are extremely politically active and biased, and attached that opinion to S.R. 511.

So controversial was that legal opinion, that it prompted a rebuttal by Professor Gabriel J. Chin of The University of Arizona, James E. Rogers College of Law, in a discussion paper #08-14 entitled, Why Senator John McCain Cannot Be President. Professor Chin points out clearly where Tribe-Olson sought to draw out implied theories in the law, which in reality, are simply not there and in fact have been decided by the courts already, in opposition to the suggestions offered by Tribe-Olson. Simply put, the attorneys hired by Sen. McCain attempt to fit the law into their agenda with contrived implications. Professor Chin brings the law back into focus, requiring no implied theories.

Legalities aside, in anticipation of the feared “Fairness Doctrine”, the whole of the main stream media has since acquiesced to the intimidation tactics of the Obama campaign and paraded the non-binding resolution known as S.R. 511 to the public with unfactual foolishness. S.R. 511 is neither a constitutional amendment nor legally binding in any way. Yet the media caved to political pressure and reported it to the public as Chairman Leahy dictated, giving the illusion to the pubic that said resolution was binding to the 2008 election. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

The public responded, initially by way of lawsuits contesting the eligiblity of not only John McCain, but Barack Obama and Roger Calero as well, citing them all, with equal disqualifying merit, as being constitutionally ineligible to run for President of the United States. Later, netizens of the internet caught wind of the court actions and responded with their own explosion of blogs, forums, websites, chatrooms, emails, etc. In an attempt to quell the discord, the main stream media offered personalities such as Thomas Goldstein which only served to infuriate the public further. The public saw such maneuvers as deceitful and an attempt to embarrass the now educated public.

However, the greater proof is in the activity which originated in the Senate in early 2008 which was hidden from the public, that sought to change what our representatives knew to be unconstitutional from the start. The public really needs to look no further than this activity, for it speaks to the heart of the deals that went on beyond the Senate doors. Rather than trust the preservation model our founding forefathers wrote into our Constitution, these respresentatives, beholden of the public trust, saw fit to manipulate the clauses contained therein, for the sole benefit of their own political self-interests.

Perhaps our representatives, the United States Supreme Court and the main stream media would be interested in reflecting on these records and then start answering truthfully the questions which have so far been ignored. The public has been promised transparency, but to date has only been dealt scoffing, deceitful rhetoric, if they choose to address it at all.

While the public has been patient and eduring, the questions remain and refuse to be dismissed. We expect them to be answered, preferrably prior to January 20, 2009.

We the people, deserve an answer!


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To: shield

You can’t tell anything about hands from that picture of Sr. Neither Dunham or Sr. has those lines on the side of the nose but Davis does.


101 posted on 08/12/2009 8:48:04 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: shield; mojitojoe; BP2

102 posted on 08/12/2009 8:48:34 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: Homer1

If he was born in Hawaii and his father was Obama, why would he need a forged birth certificate?


103 posted on 08/12/2009 8:49:37 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: Kansas58
You rely on statutes that made John McCain a citizen, after the fact of his birth, to claim he was a natural born citizen. You ignore the clearly enumerated power of the Congress, to deal with laws concerning naturalization only, and yet continue to cite such laws, which only pertain to naturalization under the Constitution.

No amount of caps-locked yelling will change the fundamental error that you have made, and continue to make. What you believe does not trump the Constitution, and that document is clearly at odds with you, here.

Take the time to overcome your emotional response to the issue, and look at the Constitution, and the pertinent Supreme Court cases. None of them support your contention.

104 posted on 08/12/2009 8:49:42 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Lmo56
Center column 3rd paragraph down:
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage


I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill],
which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the
jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language
of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen… . . – John Bingham in the United States House on March 9, 1866

105 posted on 08/12/2009 8:51:43 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: mojitojoe

Whatever....I believe Sr is Jr’s father. Chief Engineer convinced me Sr is the father of Jr.


106 posted on 08/12/2009 8:52:38 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Frantzie

If Frank Davis is his father can he be removed for fraud if it comes out?
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I doubt it. UNLESS, it is found out that he knew it, and that Sr. was paid to be the fall guy/Dad and zer0 perpetuated the fraud all of his life.
He might play the poor me, and say he didn’t know, to get sympathy. I find it odd that his mother would ditch him and leave him in Hawaii. I think he might have been a pain in the ass, misbehaved a lot and she decided to leave him there with his father, Frank.


107 posted on 08/12/2009 8:53:10 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: Lmo56

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=072/llcg072.db&recNum=2


108 posted on 08/12/2009 8:57:10 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

... every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen …

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Absolutely ...

It conforms with Blackstone’s English Common Law and also with Vattel (Law of Nations), although Vattel argues that citizenship always follows the father ...


109 posted on 08/12/2009 8:57:30 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: Lmo56
“of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty”

And of Obama Sr?

Did he owe allegiance to any foreign sovereignty?

110 posted on 08/12/2009 8:59:42 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: shield; Fred Nerks

Why did he never acknowlege him? Why was Ann in Seattle right after he was born? There is no evidence whatsoever that he was ever with Ann or with BO. For all we know she could have gotten pregnant bu some black guy in Seattle. Sr. was compensated to take the fall.
The thing is, nobody knows and without the BC and a DNA test we will never know. He looks like Malcom X more than either of the other 2, BUT his mother has that long Dunham chin so that could account the similarity to X.
What did Chief base his theory on that Sr. was the father?


111 posted on 08/12/2009 9:00:42 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: DaveTesla

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=072/llcg072.db&recNum=2

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What am I looking at here ???


112 posted on 08/12/2009 9:01:27 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: Fred Nerks

Fred, any pics of X when he was a child, baby?


113 posted on 08/12/2009 9:01:50 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: Lmo56
The Library of Congress link to the Congressional Globe
1866 1921 I posted in post #105.

Center column 3rd paragraph down.

114 posted on 08/12/2009 9:05:07 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: mojitojoe

Who?


115 posted on 08/12/2009 9:05:52 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: DaveTesla

“of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty”
And of Obama Sr?

Did he owe allegiance to any foreign sovereignty?

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Yup - Kenya was a colony or protectorate of the UK at the time.

Per the British Nationality Act of 1948 (which was the applicable law at the time):

(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth ...


116 posted on 08/12/2009 9:07:04 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: DaveTesla

The Library of Congress link to the Congressional Globe

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Went to the page - did not see anything relevant to this thread ...


117 posted on 08/12/2009 9:08:35 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: RegulatorCountry
Are you dense?
The laws I posted were written BEFORE John McCain was born.

I am a “birther” in that I do believe that Obama is hiding something, and that he should release his long form birth certificate, along with other documents.

However, I also think that we should avoid crack-pot ideas, and realize that there is a difference between a legal strategy, a legal opinion, and settled law.

I do believe that there is a small amount of room for debate over my opinion that “Natural Born Citizen” means “Citizen at the moment of birth.

However, there is NO debate that John McCain was a United States Citizen, from the very moment of birth.

And, there is no doubt that those who disagree that John McCain was a United States Citizen, from the moment of birth, are crackpots.

You have NO legal authority that agrees with your crackpot opinion, anywhere.

Your crackpot ideas actually hurt the cause.

118 posted on 08/12/2009 9:11:03 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: mojitojoe

Well, Chief Engineer also convinced me long ago he was born in Canada. However, after all the clues pointing to Kenya, I now believe he was born in Kenya. She did so much research and is now suffering with Ovarian Cancer and has not posted most of the summer....has so much researched material here at FR it took me days and days to read her research. She actually pointed to a wild drunken party both attended celebrating the win of JFK and felt this is when Anne had sex with Sr and came up pregnant with Jr.


119 posted on 08/12/2009 9:11:18 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: cvq3842
I would think that a person born of two US citizens would be a natural-born citizen, no matter where born

I think the fact that Congress passed, in 1790, "An act to establish an uniform rule of Naturalization" that stated : the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens indicates that such children were *not* considered natural born under the original understanding of that term. Else why add to the definition? For whatever reason, the words "natural born" were left out of the 1795 act which repealed and replaced the 1790 act. I tend to think it was because they realized they could not define a Constitutional term, except by the amendment process, but that's just conjecture. The provision has not been any subsequent law and so cannot currently be in effect.

That means that the definition remains what it was, and that it did not include children of citizens, even two citizens, "born out of the limits of the United States". The 1795 act merely provided that they were citizens, and the law retains the same provision today.

120 posted on 08/12/2009 9:13:44 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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