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Obama may be a natural born citizen after all

Posted on 07/23/2009 8:07:18 PM PDT by DavidFarrar

I have spent time trying to make sense of the recent debate over Obama's Constitutional qualifications to be President of the United States and have recently come to the conclusion that Obama would be a "natural born" U.S. citizen if his father was Obama Sr., a British subject and Kenyan national at the time of his birth.


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To: Yaelle
Like a lot of things in Barry's background -- I am not certain.

My point is simply: IF there was or wasn't a marriage license, and, IF Obama Sr. was legally married in Kenya, and, IF Barry was born in Hawaii, and, IF polygamy was illegal in Hawaii at the time of their wedding, Barry could be a "natural born" citizen, with or without a marriage license.

But I would readily agree, there are far, far too many IFs here.

ex animo

davidfarrar

141 posted on 07/23/2009 10:07:09 PM PDT by DavidFarrar
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To: LegalEagle61
By the way, the issue of the Occidental College records is especially pertinent. The United States Justice Foundation (USJF) served officials at Occidental College with a subpoena to produce records concerning Barack Obama's attendance there during the 1980's, because those records could document whether he was attending as a foreign national. You see, Mr. Obama attended the school on a scholarship -- and there are questions as to whether the financial aid he received was reserved for foreign students. The Obama attorneys have bent over backward to block us. He doesn't want anyone to see those records. He's STILL trying to hide them; those financial records STILL have not been released.

I am sure he must have attended as a foreign student. There is no other reason to hide those records and spend money to fight them. Absolutely NO reason.

He went to a good school in Hawaii. Even if his grades were mediocre, he is big enough now to laugh all the youthful inattentions off. The ONLY reason to hide his entry records is because he knows that America would not accept a President who claimed on documents that he was a citizen of a foreign country and hid his American citizenship.

142 posted on 07/23/2009 10:07:33 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Windflier
Natural born citizen -- Gotta have two US citizen parents to qualify for that.

Where does it say that? "Natural born citizen" is not defined in the United States Constitution. The Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment states that birth "in the United States" and subjection to U.S. jurisdiction at the time of birth, entitles one to citizenship, and 8 U.S.C. 1401 is consistent with the Fourteenth Amendment.

The battle here involves Dear Leader's eligibility to hold the office and is for all the marbles and it's best not to come to a gunfight armed with a knife. I'm happy to accept your statement if you can back it up under the law, but "Citizenship According to Windflier" isn't going to cut it here babe. Peace, A.

143 posted on 07/23/2009 10:11:05 PM PDT by Ahithophel (Padron@Anniversario)
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To: Yaelle
No, there is no shame in being born out of wedlock, as Barry, himself, admits. But there is mounting shame on Barry's behalf the longer he allows this issue to fester unresolved.

The American people have a right to know if Barack Obama does or does not qualify to be their President, and it's simple a shame Barack Obama doesn't see this and act to end it for the good of the country as quickly as possible.

ex animo

davidfarrar

144 posted on 07/23/2009 10:14:12 PM PDT by DavidFarrar
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To: DavidFarrar

Not if he revoked that citizenship to become a citizen of Indonesia. Once you revoke your US citizenship, that’s it.


145 posted on 07/23/2009 10:16:42 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: DavidFarrar
Yeah, and you probably still believe in Santa Claus too.

Believe what you want, but you're clearly in the minority here.

146 posted on 07/23/2009 10:16:59 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("President Obama, your agenda is not new, it's not change, and it's not hope" - Rush Limbaugh 02/28)
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To: Windflier
So what if the father can't be identified and the mother is a U.S. citizen, and she gives birth in this country?

The baby would most certainly be a U.S. citizen, but would it be a natural born citizen?

I think so.

ex animo

davidfarrar

147 posted on 07/23/2009 10:20:31 PM PDT by DavidFarrar
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To: usmcobra

No, that sentence refers only to people born “beyond sea, or out of the limits”, and it does not say that both parents have to be citizens for a child to be a “natural born” citizen. The subject of the sentence is “children”, plural, which would necessarily have parents who were US “citizens”, plural, even if each had only one parent who was a citizen.


148 posted on 07/23/2009 10:21:04 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker (Vote for a short Freepathon! Donate now if you possibly can!)
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To: RinaseaofDs
Did he, or did his mother? Was he of a legal age to do that?

I think not.

ex animo

davidfarrar

149 posted on 07/23/2009 10:23:29 PM PDT by DavidFarrar
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To: politicalmerc
Yes, I understand your point. But I have trouble in believing the framers of Art. ll would agree with that interpretation.

ex animo

davidfarrar

150 posted on 07/23/2009 10:38:57 PM PDT by DavidFarrar
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To: DavidFarrar

“It is corroborative evidence on its face, as I said, of Barack Obama being born in Hawaii.”

It would be if the Obamas had ever lived at 6085 Kalnianaole Hwy, but as has rather easily been proven, they never did.

This implies that someone conspired to put fake microfilm of newspapers into Hawaii libraries. I wonder what else they are working on?


151 posted on 07/23/2009 11:03:45 PM PDT by devere (.)
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To: DavidFarrar
So what if the father can't be identified and the mother is a U.S. citizen, and she gives birth in this country?

The baby would most certainly be a U.S. citizen, but would it be a natural born citizen?

No, the baby would not be a natural born citizen, as defined in many documents from our country's early history.

Crikey, man. It's not my job to provide you with the textbook. There is a mountain of reference data to support all this on this very site. Why are you refusing to look it up and educate yourself?

152 posted on 07/23/2009 11:06:12 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Ahithophel

Here’s a page that lays out the fundamental understandings and historical references to the phrase, “natural born citizen”. It’s one of the best I’ve seen:

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm


153 posted on 07/23/2009 11:15:11 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Crazieman

The only problem with this birth announcement is that the Obamas never lived at that address. mmmmmm.....


154 posted on 07/23/2009 11:46:59 PM PDT by dalight
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To: iowamark
It makes no difference if the parents were US citizens or if they were married.

Wrong.

155 posted on 07/23/2009 11:48:48 PM PDT by dalight
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To: dalight

Explain yourself.


156 posted on 07/23/2009 11:54:01 PM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: iowamark

I hate to say it but there are like 50,000 threads on this site that go into this in minute detail. Heck. Just read this thread. Educate yourself, then make statements that have real knowledge underneath of them.


157 posted on 07/23/2009 11:56:39 PM PDT by dalight
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To: dalight
You can fantasize all you want but US law is clear on the subject: Those born in the US, with very few exceptions, are natural born citizens.

You may wish it were otherwise, you can advocate changing the law, but you cannot credibly deny it.

158 posted on 07/24/2009 12:03:04 AM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: Windflier

That appears to be an excellent and well—sourced site, thanks.


159 posted on 07/24/2009 2:24:08 AM PDT by Ahithophel (Padron@Anniversario)
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To: BP2
EVIDENCE FOR DELAYED FILING OR ALTERATION.

Hmmm, now why would there be anything in that block? Good catch.

160 posted on 07/24/2009 3:49:23 AM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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