LOU DOBBS SAYS THAT OBAMA HAS NO PROOF OF A VALID BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

THE FREEDOM POST ^ | July 22, 2009 | TheCapitalist

[TheFreedomPoster]

LISTEN TO LOU DOBBS SAY THAT OBAMA HAS NO PROOF OF A VALID BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

[This_far]

The reason Obama wants to overturn the peaceful transition of power in Honduras is because they relied on their Constitution to affect the change.

I agree with your post sans the part of 0 wanting to overturn the decision of the Honduran Government.

I admit to not following it except for 0 'siding'/'lending' his support to the exiled Z. (and of course SoS Clinton arranging a meeting with Z)

You may be correct. Perhaps it is analogous to his including the Boston Mass incident in tonights Health Care infomercial?

He can't handle the "big problems", so he attempts to obfuscate with other issues he's been familiar with? (as a student of socialists and as a community organizer)(?)

Interesting, thanks.

[celtic gal]

I would bet he is hiding the fact that he was born on foreign soil, not on US soil or a US territory. I'll bet he is hiding his other records that prove he got grants to all the high profile universities as a foreign student from Indonesia and that his name was Barry Sotero and that his religion is Islam, I'll also be there are NO documents to prove he applied to become a naturalized citizen following the adoption by the step dad who was his mother's second husband. He is hiding something. Wonder if Michelle even knows what he is hiding. Heaven help him if he has lied to her..she looks like she carries a mean whollop.

[wardaddy]

i’ve started to wonder myself...

[PA-RIVER]

His writings in college are probably loaded with hatred for America.

[buck61]

practice those principles and are willing to defend them. It seems that The Constitution is seen as an ancient document that is of little value (except historical), sort of like The Bible.... lack of virtue is the real problem.

BTTT !!!!! :-)

[GOPJ]

WorldNetDaily http://www.wnd.com/ They even pay to have billboards put up around the United States asking “Where is the Birth Certificate?”.

Dems have dismissed this as "silly" long enough. They need to produce the birth certificate - and end this... Or fess up that there's not one ... and deal with it - or something.

[immadashell]

Clinton handlers developed the classic 3-D defense for dealing with the "big problems" -- Deny, Deflect, and Delay. Zero is adopting the defense faster than he passes stimulus bills.

[Star Traveler]

Well, two things here...

One is that it has been apparent to me that although there are many people who have asked for the birth certificate over months and months (and as I have, too, especially prior to the election) — that there is no legal requirement for any candidate to produce one. From everything that I’ve seen and heard, thus far, the only legal requirement is that a candidate swear and sign paperwork saying that they are qualified. That just turns out to be the sole requirement in order to ascertain if a candidate is qualified — besides *not being elected* (which is supposed to be the bottom-line protection if you try to fool the people). But, even there, with the election, it has been shown that there were more liberals who wanted him than there were conservatives.

Thus, we’re left with just the one way, that I can see which will work, to get the birth certificate. And that is to pass state laws requiring specific documentation be shown or else a candidate cannot be on the ballot. Since there is no legal requirement to show the birth certificate, the states have to enact the legal requirement.

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The second thing I see is that the leftists are using the birth certificate issue to sidetrack other conservatives from discussing Obama’s policies and any pending or desired legislation. I’ve already seen where some conservatives have been “shifted” over to having to talk about the birth certificate issue, by the leftists, in order to get those conservatives “off track” about what they were talking about on issues. Those leftists have started doing that on purpose, now.

So, those are the two things I see...

[Star Traveler]

I love referring people over to WorldNetDaily, but in case you don’t know it... unfortunately, Free Republic doesn’t let us post the entire articles here.

Heck! If we could do that, I would be doing it all the time... LOL...

[Clay+Iron_Times]

“Government does not matter unless the Constitution is the rule of law.” I will go you one better and say that The Constitution does not matter unless the people believe in the principles stated in it, practice those principles and are willing to defend them. It seems that The Constitution is seen as an ancient document that is of little value (except historical), sort of like The Bible.... lack of virtue is the real problem.

You are so right Peter. I have tried to explain this very thing to people. When we break down the distinction between right and wrong, if we do not take God's word as our standard our moral choices become fuzzy. When people do not carefully observe between good and evil destruction follows. As a people we have certainly got our Saul who knows not Joseph..

[Star Traveler]

You were saying — I considered the “Truther” title to be mostly proper as derogatory towards those who had ‘conspiracy’ beliefs concerning September 11. (I say ‘mostly’ since many seeking information reveal more information. Some factual, some not.)

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Now, the interesting thing about this (at least I’ve always thought it was very interesting... LOL...) is that Phil Berg was one of the first ones who jumped on to the court cases in order to get the birth certificate from Obama. He’s a Democrat, he’s a long-time and strong Hillary Clinton supporter and he’s a lawyer. And that’s all fine and good, since a lot of conservatives loved it that Phil Berg was going after Obama to get his birth certificate (and he’s still doing it as far as I know...).

BUT (and this is the big “but”...) — Phil Berg is also the lawyer who has filed court cases about the 9/11 attack on America and he believes that President Bush and other parts of our own government were the ones who either *engineered* the attack on America or were definitely party to it and complicit in it. In terms of the World Trade Buildings coming down, the idea is the it’s the government who “set charges” in those buildings to blow them up and cause them to come down and not the airplanes.

So, Phil Berg is also after President Bush for engineering or participating in the attacks on the U.S. with the attacks on 9/11.

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And then you said — The “person” involved either has the legal right to hold office or not. (or has the questioned document or not)

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And that’s exactly what I tried to get across in regards to showing the birth certificate prior to the election. My idea is that if people had suspicions raised about qualifications, and wanted to see this or else they wouldn’t vote for him (those of the Democrat persuasion, but not me as a conservative... LOL...), then this would mean that he would not get elected if he did not show his birth certificate.

Well, two things happened, that I found out about....

One thing was that many Democrats didn’t care about the birth certificate. And the second thing I found out about is that no candidate can be legally compelled to show a birth certificate and that all prior candidates only had to sign paperwork saying that they were qualified and that was all that was legally necessary.

So, that’s why, after the election, I started working on my state getting legislation passed in order to make it legally mandatory to show a birth certificate or else a candidate cannot be on the ballot. That’s my present solution to this problem.

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And then you said — Presuming that he does, not providing the document and ending the conflict, undermines his ability to lead or govern.

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Now..., that’s another one that I thought prior to the election. However that apparently has not come true.

The problem is that about 10 million more liberals voted for Obama than conservatives. And on top of that, there are large numbers of Democrats in the Congress, both sides (Senate and House). I can only hope that state laws get passed so that the birth certificate can be legally demanded and produced in the next election.

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And lastly you said — This is not a dispute about who is eligible to be the head of a home owners association.

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Well, definitely not. But, unfortunately *crazier ideas* come out of this fiasco of Obama being President than come out of home owners associations, I fear. I’ve identified some of the really crazy ideas and it’s a malady that has been named by other conservatives as “Obama Derangement Syndrome”. It’s sort of a detachment from reality, from (perhaps) people “going crazy” once they found out that Obama was elected...

I posted this elsewhere...

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It’s right at that particular point that I’ve identified one of the definitions for what is called “Obama Derangement Syndrome”... I’m not throwing this out as simply a slam or something to throw around, but I’ve identified certain things over a period of time that really do fall into the category of “Obama Derangement Syndrome”

I’ve identified some basic ones for another poster and I’ll refer to it here...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2298832/posts?page=141#141

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When it gets into this stuff, then I consider the person “off on the deep end” and beyond help. This is classic “Obama Derangement Syndrome”...

Some see it as such.

It’s right at that particular point that I’ve identified one of the definitions for what is called “Obama Derangement Syndrome”... I’m not throwing this out as simply a slam or something to throw around, but I’ve identified certain things over a period of time that really do fall into the category of “Obama Derangement Syndrome”

I’ve identified some basic ones for another poster and I’ll refer to it here...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2298832/posts?page=141#141

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When it gets into this stuff, then I consider the person “off on the deep end” and beyond help. This is classic “Obama Derangement Syndrome”...

[Star Traveler]

Here are those Obama Derangement Syndrome characteristics that I have identified...

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I’ll outline a few so you can see what I’ve defined as that...

(1) A military coup because Obama is not qualified and the military forces his resignation (there are variations on that but they all center on a military coup, forcing Obama out of office by the military people).

(2) Obama is not President right now... (a real detachment from reality).

(3) Obama can be removed from office as President right now by a judge ordering a U.S. Marshal to walk into the Oval Office and arrest Obama and remove him from the White House.

(4) The reason why Obama has not been removed from office thus far and the courts have not removed him is because there is a widespread conspiracy, fear, or collusion or whatever other reason supplied for the conspiracy. “Everyone” is involved in the conspiracy and thus Obama can’t be removed. (can be variations on this but it’s all about a general and widespread conspiracy as to why Obama is still in office).

(5) The idea that Obama must present his birth certificate, even though there is no legal requirement to do so, and even though no other candidates have ever been compelled, legally, to produce their birth certificate, and that if Obama doesn’t produce his birth certificate, then he is not qualified.

(6) The rejection of simple, real-world solutions to this birth certificate problem (like getting an ordinary state law requiring the showing of a birth certificate), and instead, insisting on “solutions” that don’t work in the real world and/or “solutions” that have not worked in all this time.

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2298832/posts?page=141#141

[OBAMAISILLEGAL]

I can’t believe this is still going on, the facts are overwhelming that President Obama is illegal someone needs to expose him. Someone needs to create a site devoted JUST to exposing him!!! OBAMAISILLEGAL.com is for sale on eBay (I have no idea how to create a website or I would do it myself) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=120451423362

[surfer]

Yeah they really nailed it with the Ark of Covenant...

Granted WND is doing its best to report on COLB issues but they are also slipping into the realm of the API (African Press International). At such a critical time you would think they would have a stronger vetting process and not let anything suspect to be reported on their site - it only detracts from what little credibility they have anyway.

[Star Traveler]

You said — Yeah they really nailed it with the Ark of Covenant...

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I followed that story when it came out and was on several threads about it. As I saw the reporting on WorldNetDaily about it, they referenced information from other sources and they did not take a “personal stand” on it, but merely reported it.

Now, what I said about WorldNetDaily is relevant here, especially in regards to the Ark of the Covenant story. It’s that WorldNetDaily has a “Christian worldview outlook” in its DNA. Joseph Farah has stated openly that he is a Christian (also, I believe, Lebanese, too... and so has a perspective on Israel and the Middle East from his heritage).

So, what you find at WorldNetDaily is that they are going to report on stories that are of interest to Christians. Now, you find that many non-Christians don’t like to hear stories (or see stories) that have a Christian worldview outlook. And thus, WorldNetDaily is criticized solely on that basis and from the “stories” that come up from that particular worldview.

However, Christians are interested in the Christian worldview outlook and appreciate a major news site on the Internet, which does present that.

Now, on those threads about the Ark of the Covenant, I openly posted that I doubted the source of this information, in that I doubted that they were really going to reveal this artifact as that source was reported saying.

But, I did not oppose WorldNetDaily reporting the thing in the first place. That allowed me to be aware of the fact of something being in Axsum (if I spelled that right) and others have said that they believe the Ark of the Covenant is in Axsum (but I kinda doubt that...).

I also find that WorldNetDaily is good for conservative causes. They have Jerome Corsi who has written many things there, and he’s the one who “outed” Kerry on the Swift Boat veterans issue (or maybe he just popularized it, one or the other). Also Coris has written about immigration issues on WorldNetDaily, and many other conservative issues.

WorldNetDaily also has a strong “creation” viewpoint that it promotes on its articles and for many Christians, this is another thing that you never see on the MSM. It’s refreshing to see a major news site which is conservative and has that kind of Christian worldview.

You’ve even got Chuck Norris on there, Pat Boone on there and a whole host of other good writers...

And lastly, I don’t think they have little credibility — but that they have many times the credibility than some outfit such as the New York Times, or the Los Angeles Times or the Washington Post or many other MSM news outlets (such as ABC or NBC or CBS or CNN). WorldNetDaily is much more credible than all of those...

[TaraP]

I agree ST..

WND started out with more credibility than they have today....

[Dr. Eckleburg]

lol. Yep. One of several.

[ChocChipCookie]

I have a question about that COLB. Wasn’t it proven to be a fake? Libs are constantly bringing it up as proof positive, cite Snopes, and that’s the end of that, but I thought the person who created it, admitted it was fake.

[RinaseaofDs]

“that there is no legal requirement for any candidate to produce one.”

You mean other than the Constitution, right? There’s an age requirement and a citizenship requirement. The burden of proof is on the candidate.

[Star Traveler]

You said — You mean other than the Constitution, right?

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Nope, sorry... the Constitution has no legal requirement for a birth certificate, which is what people are asking for...

As far as the burden of proof — I would say that whatever has been accepted in the last decades for that (i.e., burden of proof), would be fine with Obama, too.

If you want something different from what the candidates have been doing for decades in that regard, then you’re going to have to create a law that specifically requires something different. That would be the reason for enacting states laws which would *legally require* a birth certificate be produced.