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WHY CONSERVATISM SUCKS RIGHT NOW ["Some Freeper named Jim Robinson off the deep end!"]
Rightwing Nuthouse | 10:40 am | Rick Moran

Posted on 07/19/2009 10:34:15 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath

Edited on 07/19/2009 11:53:38 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

7/19/2009
WHY CONSERVATISM SUCKS RIGHT NOW
CATEGORY: Politics

Some Freeper named Jim Robinson has an off the deep end post up at Free Republic that illustrates in a nutshell why no one is taking conservatism very seriously these days.

You have to read the whole thing to grasp the underlying hysteria, the exaggeration, the misperceptions, and the paranoia, but a few choice passages should suffice.

It is entitled “If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do?”

It cannot be denied that the central government has become destructive of our unalienable rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness and our rights to live free. The government is no longer responsive to we the People. They have stretched and shredded the constitution to the point that they have illegally seized for themselves virtually unlimited powers over the citizens and act as if we have no rights and no powers of our own. They are acting without our consent.

First, I could have lifted the exact same verbiage from any of 50 lefty blogs while Bush was in office. It was stupid then and it’s stupid now. Positing the idea that we are unfree or living under some kind of authoritarian regime is so far beyond the pale of rationality one wonders if this guy sits in the dark, cradling his gun, waiting for the secret police to bust down his door.

Gross exaggeration, hyperbolic, hysterical, paranoid, full of nonsensical statements that fly in the face of reality - and that’s just the second paragraph.

Our Founders established that when our government becomes destructive of our rights then it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

We have reached the point where the government’s long train of abuses and usurpations has achieved absolute Despotism, therefore it is our right, it is our duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for our future security.

Therefore, We the People of America choose to exercise our right to throw off and alter the abusive government by peacefully recalling and removing from office the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States and all U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives effective immediately.

Oooh goody! A revolution. Can I play too?

An interim provisional Chief Executive and congressional representatives will be established as follows:

The Secretary of State shall immediately assume the office of interim Chief Executive. The Chief Executive shall appoint and the interim Senate shall confirm an interim Vice President.

An immediate election shall be held within each state legislature to appoint two interim senators to represent each sovereign state.

A special election shall be held by all states within 30 days to elect interim members of the House of Representatives.

Elections for regular government offices shall be conducted in November, 2010 as previously scheduled, except that elections will be held for all elective offices, including President, Vice President and all U.S. Representatives. U.S. Senators will be elected per class schedule by the various state legislatures.

I suppose Obama, Biden, the cabinet, 100 senators and 435 Congressmen are just going to take one look at that million crazies this guy wants to bring to Washington and turn over the government to…who? Who is going to appoint this “Provisional Chief Executive?” No doubt Mr. Robinson who, as the leader of this revolt of patriots, will also be responsible for “convincing” our elected leaders to leave town.

No matter. Just what kind of government does this new Founding Fool want to establish?

The Constitution of the United States must be kept intact and must be adhered to and strictly followed by all government entities as originally intended.

As it was originally intended? Well, that solves the Obama problem. Mr. Robinson can sell him into slavery.

We must restore and reestablish the sovereignty of the people and the states and restore the constitutional balances between the central government, the various states and we the people. The constitution severely restricts government powers and guarantees unalienable freedom and Liberty to the people.

For an ignoramus, he actually got pretty close - to a third grade understanding of the Constitution. Perhaps defining “freedom and Liberty” might be a start so that we can figure out what’s “unalienable” in those vague concepts, as well as telling us how to “restore and reestablish” states rights and the “sovereignty” of the individual (which hasn’t gone anywhere as far as I can tell). But of course, that would require a mind not entranced with its own lunacy.

Then come the specifics: Repeal the 16th and 17th amendments, abolish the IRS (hooray!), transfer federal land, buildings, and military bases to control of the states, kill social security, get rid of abortion rights, the Fed,…

Well, you get the picture. He concludes with this ringing call for revolution:

Need lots of help with this document, folks. Please chime in. Would love to see a committee formed of members of every state to complete and finalize it. Then we should form and send delegates to a special national congress to work out the kinks and plan its presentation and execution.

This concept is an entirely peaceful altering of our despotic government per our unalienable right and duty. No where do I call for violence. The only force I call for is the force of numbers. We need millions of our citizens to sign on to this petition and execute its provisions. Will require millions to march on D.C. to block the government’s ability to do business as usual. This is our right and duty as Americans.

Yes, every American has a right to make an utter, complete ass of himself. That right is protected by the Constitution as surely as the right to sit in the dark with a gun waiting for Obama’s goose stepping brownshirts to arrest patriots like Mr. Robinson is guaranteed by that document.

The problem with all of this isn’t that the guy is a loon whose understanding of what America is all about is that of a 6 year old. The problem is in the comments to this post, as well as comments I’ve seen on just about every big conservative blog out there that support and mimic these extraordinarily idiotic and laughably exaggerated claims of what the government has been doing since Obama took office and how these actions affect our personal liberty.

There will always be a certain portion of both the right and left who are basically nuts. The hysterically exaggerated dangers of a Bush putsch were written about endlessly by the left for 8 years. Now it’s time for righty crazies to crawl out from under the rocks and dark places where they’ve been hiding to make conservatism look like an ideal home for kooks, paranoids, and other unbalanced denizens who inhabit a creepy reality of their own making that bears little resemblance to the real world.

Conservatives will laugh this kind of thing off as an aberration. But I am telling my fellow righties that we ignore this crap to the detriment of the rest of us who oppose the administration’s actions. With pop-cons like Hannity, Beck, Coulter, and other conservative celebrities mouthing some of this nonsense (while implying even worse) on a daily basis, more and more of the base are turning into unhinged, screaming maniacs who believe America is being “destroyed” by Obama and the liberals.

This screed is symptomatic of the sickness of thought and reason that afflicts many conservatives today - more than we are prepared to acknowledge and far more than one would normally expect from a philosophy that supposedly prides itself on prudence, rationality, and probity.

You can dismiss Robinson and his unhinged followers. But they aren’t going away and their influence can only grow if we ignore them.

UPDATE

Ooooh my bad. Jim Robinson isn’t just any ordinary schmuck. He is founder of Freeperland.

If I were to seriously analyze Robinson’s thoughts in that post, I would say that anyone who advocated the kinds of changes he does would make Obama look like a piker in the “change” department. Robinson’s ideas are beyond radical — they are ill-informed, impossible, and reactionary.

How reactionary? Robinson posits a government that does not return us to our constitutional roots but rather to a pre-constitutional system not unlike the Articles of Confederation. Anyone who can’t see that in all of his state’s rights bullshit doesn’t know much about history.

Someone should wake Mr. Robinson up and inform him that we are a continental, 21st century industrialized nation of 300 million people and not an 18th century agrarian coastal republic of 7 million.

Not that it would make much difference to Robinson. We have to revolt to ban abortion and toss out social security and the IRS.



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To: Locomotive Breath
You missed the joke of the week. Do a search on Jim Thompson.

Where's the joke? This hit piece uses Jim's correct last name, you brought up "Thompson".
I don't understand why you posted this hit piece.

81 posted on 07/19/2009 1:12:45 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Locomotive Breath; Jim Robinson

Can I change my handle to “Unhinged”?


82 posted on 07/19/2009 1:27:38 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Locomotive Breath
Why is Mr. Moran attacking Free Republic -- and pretends(?) to have not recognized the owner? Moran has known of Free Republic for years.

Earlier I suggested that Mr. Moran might be a Michael-Savage-like independent conservative; i.e., he's not into blind collective effort and mutual cooperation vis-à-vis "the movement."

I've been a fan of Michael Savage for almost 15 years. He goes on a tear occasionally when he feels slighted by fellow conservatives.

Freepers have not always expressed admiration for Mr. Moran's writings. He's getting even?

83 posted on 07/19/2009 1:28:42 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Locomotive Breath

“A people unwilling to use extreme violent force to perserve or obtain their liberty deserves the tyrants that rule them.” SP 2009


84 posted on 07/19/2009 1:47:34 PM PDT by stockpirate (The movement to take back America has already started, Sarah is her name.)
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To: Locomotive Breath

“A people unwilling to use extreme violent force to perserve or obtain their liberty deserves the tyrants that rule them.” SP 2009


85 posted on 07/19/2009 1:49:23 PM PDT by stockpirate (The movement to take back America has already started, Sarah is her name.)
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To: Locomotive Breath
one wonders if this guy sits in the dark, cradling his gun, waiting for the secret police to bust down his door.

Maybe Jim Robinson. But I'm pretty sure Jim Thompson sits with the light and a/c on.

86 posted on 07/19/2009 1:52:08 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Mr. Know It All

Re: Jim Thompson. Several days ago an article was online about the owner of FR, Jim Thompson, now the standing joke is we refer to Jim by his new name. There is even a new Jim Thomson freeper.


87 posted on 07/19/2009 1:54:44 PM PDT by stockpirate (The movement to take back America has already started, Sarah is her name.)
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To: elk
whose relative Brian Moran ran for VA governor and lost in the Dem primary with a slogan "I'll fight for you?"

There is a connection, but after them fighting words, their cousin Also Ran, took off.

88 posted on 07/19/2009 2:05:10 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Recently Mr. Moran was a guest on the Lee Rodgers Show (KSFO). Mr. Moran chuckled and brushed aside Lee Rodgers' similar concerns about the Obama Administration. Rodgers seemed surprised at Moran's response, it seemed to me.
Thanks for the heads-up.

I went to Lee Rodgers Podcast Page, downloaded the show from 'July 14, 2009 8AM' and edited some of Rick Moran's remarks into a MP3 file -

which can be downloaded at MediaFire.com.

The audio is about 5:35 long and gives pretty good insight into Moran's mushy thinking.

89 posted on 07/19/2009 2:22:34 PM PDT by KS Flyover
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To: Locomotive Breath
Rick Moran

Who?

90 posted on 07/19/2009 2:34:24 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Wasn’t lifted from some lefty blog, moran. It was lifted from Thomas Jefferson’s blog, the Declaration of Independence. I knew Thomas Jefferson. He was no lefty!!


91 posted on 07/19/2009 2:46:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/jimrobfr)
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To: KS Flyover
RE: Interview with Mr. Moran, Here

Thanks for doing that. I'm glad others have a chance to hear it. I had a feeling that something was out of whack as I was listening live.

I've listened to that show since the beginning and I've listened to Rodgers for 20 years starting back when he was a regular on the deficient call-letter station, KGO.

92 posted on 07/19/2009 2:49:17 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: BOBTHENAILER

We’re all Jim Thompson!


93 posted on 07/19/2009 2:58:02 PM PDT by peggybac (We're all Jim Thompson)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Did someone send out talking points to have lefty bloggers pile on Jim and Free Republic?


94 posted on 07/19/2009 5:19:22 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
RE: "Did someone send out talking points to have lefty bloggers pile on Jim and Free Republic?"

That's a good question. The thought crossed my mind also.

They do not have to be lefties; i.e., 1960s Marxist-Alinsky hippie street rabble and their ideological issue (children)-cum-Rat Party (formerly the traditional, patriotic Democratic Party) leaders and stalwarts. They can be RINOs or any RNC people who vehemently disagree with FR, Palin, . . . .

95 posted on 07/19/2009 5:56:08 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: RichInOC; BOBTHENAILER
"clusterfornication?"

Moran is just standing by as preverted spectator with his proverbial bottle of Wesson Oil so he can get in on the action!!!

96 posted on 07/19/2009 8:11:02 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Galloping suffocating American Socialism stinks like BO!!!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael; BOBTHENAILER; Grampa Dave; Syncro
Hey! I listened to him and Lee Rodgers on KSFO, too!!! For those who don't know, or can't remember, the Lee Rodgers and Melanie Morgan show have NEVER badmouthed FR and I've heard Melanie work with some other guy on KFNB in San Diego (760 AM from 4:AM till?) nowadays, for those who follow her on radio and FR...

This Moran tried to argue with Lee Rogers about conservatism and Lee has been irritating liberals in San Francisco for decades now. This Moran has ZERO credibility as being any sort of righteous conservative. He's more of a CONswervative!!!

97 posted on 07/19/2009 8:21:44 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Galloping suffocating American Socialism stinks like BO!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Just in case.. I did not understand from your comments that you knew -- Melanie's new national show is also on KSFO from 0300 to the start of Lee's show at 0500.

Melanie used to mention FR when she was on with Lee. Lee tends to mention another site founded by a former FReeper years ago.

98 posted on 07/19/2009 8:46:37 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Ya, he mentions Lucianne.com who spun off from FR.

Ok, that's great to know. It's so low powered after sunset that it's hard to hear above the crickets, etc. They have been running that miserable George Nory show where all they can talk about is "Chupacabra" and such nonsense!!!

99 posted on 07/19/2009 8:59:27 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Galloping suffocating American Socialism stinks like BO!!!)
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To: Locomotive Breath

There are counter-currents running far deeper and more powerfully in conservative America than people like Moran or LGF’s Johnson understand—or if they do understand, than they dare to admit. The self-righteous ridicule and nervous laughter they are directing toward the right are accelerating the current—not slowing it or reversing it.


100 posted on 07/19/2009 9:08:52 PM PDT by behzinlea
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