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WHY CONSERVATISM SUCKS RIGHT NOW ["Some Freeper named Jim Robinson off the deep end!"]
Rightwing Nuthouse | 10:40 am | Rick Moran

Posted on 07/19/2009 10:34:15 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath

Edited on 07/19/2009 11:53:38 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

7/19/2009
WHY CONSERVATISM SUCKS RIGHT NOW
CATEGORY: Politics

Some Freeper named Jim Robinson has an off the deep end post up at Free Republic that illustrates in a nutshell why no one is taking conservatism very seriously these days.

You have to read the whole thing to grasp the underlying hysteria, the exaggeration, the misperceptions, and the paranoia, but a few choice passages should suffice.

It is entitled “If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do?”

It cannot be denied that the central government has become destructive of our unalienable rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness and our rights to live free. The government is no longer responsive to we the People. They have stretched and shredded the constitution to the point that they have illegally seized for themselves virtually unlimited powers over the citizens and act as if we have no rights and no powers of our own. They are acting without our consent.

First, I could have lifted the exact same verbiage from any of 50 lefty blogs while Bush was in office. It was stupid then and it’s stupid now. Positing the idea that we are unfree or living under some kind of authoritarian regime is so far beyond the pale of rationality one wonders if this guy sits in the dark, cradling his gun, waiting for the secret police to bust down his door.

Gross exaggeration, hyperbolic, hysterical, paranoid, full of nonsensical statements that fly in the face of reality - and that’s just the second paragraph.

Our Founders established that when our government becomes destructive of our rights then it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

We have reached the point where the government’s long train of abuses and usurpations has achieved absolute Despotism, therefore it is our right, it is our duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for our future security.

Therefore, We the People of America choose to exercise our right to throw off and alter the abusive government by peacefully recalling and removing from office the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States and all U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives effective immediately.

Oooh goody! A revolution. Can I play too?

An interim provisional Chief Executive and congressional representatives will be established as follows:

The Secretary of State shall immediately assume the office of interim Chief Executive. The Chief Executive shall appoint and the interim Senate shall confirm an interim Vice President.

An immediate election shall be held within each state legislature to appoint two interim senators to represent each sovereign state.

A special election shall be held by all states within 30 days to elect interim members of the House of Representatives.

Elections for regular government offices shall be conducted in November, 2010 as previously scheduled, except that elections will be held for all elective offices, including President, Vice President and all U.S. Representatives. U.S. Senators will be elected per class schedule by the various state legislatures.

I suppose Obama, Biden, the cabinet, 100 senators and 435 Congressmen are just going to take one look at that million crazies this guy wants to bring to Washington and turn over the government to…who? Who is going to appoint this “Provisional Chief Executive?” No doubt Mr. Robinson who, as the leader of this revolt of patriots, will also be responsible for “convincing” our elected leaders to leave town.

No matter. Just what kind of government does this new Founding Fool want to establish?

The Constitution of the United States must be kept intact and must be adhered to and strictly followed by all government entities as originally intended.

As it was originally intended? Well, that solves the Obama problem. Mr. Robinson can sell him into slavery.

We must restore and reestablish the sovereignty of the people and the states and restore the constitutional balances between the central government, the various states and we the people. The constitution severely restricts government powers and guarantees unalienable freedom and Liberty to the people.

For an ignoramus, he actually got pretty close - to a third grade understanding of the Constitution. Perhaps defining “freedom and Liberty” might be a start so that we can figure out what’s “unalienable” in those vague concepts, as well as telling us how to “restore and reestablish” states rights and the “sovereignty” of the individual (which hasn’t gone anywhere as far as I can tell). But of course, that would require a mind not entranced with its own lunacy.

Then come the specifics: Repeal the 16th and 17th amendments, abolish the IRS (hooray!), transfer federal land, buildings, and military bases to control of the states, kill social security, get rid of abortion rights, the Fed,…

Well, you get the picture. He concludes with this ringing call for revolution:

Need lots of help with this document, folks. Please chime in. Would love to see a committee formed of members of every state to complete and finalize it. Then we should form and send delegates to a special national congress to work out the kinks and plan its presentation and execution.

This concept is an entirely peaceful altering of our despotic government per our unalienable right and duty. No where do I call for violence. The only force I call for is the force of numbers. We need millions of our citizens to sign on to this petition and execute its provisions. Will require millions to march on D.C. to block the government’s ability to do business as usual. This is our right and duty as Americans.

Yes, every American has a right to make an utter, complete ass of himself. That right is protected by the Constitution as surely as the right to sit in the dark with a gun waiting for Obama’s goose stepping brownshirts to arrest patriots like Mr. Robinson is guaranteed by that document.

The problem with all of this isn’t that the guy is a loon whose understanding of what America is all about is that of a 6 year old. The problem is in the comments to this post, as well as comments I’ve seen on just about every big conservative blog out there that support and mimic these extraordinarily idiotic and laughably exaggerated claims of what the government has been doing since Obama took office and how these actions affect our personal liberty.

There will always be a certain portion of both the right and left who are basically nuts. The hysterically exaggerated dangers of a Bush putsch were written about endlessly by the left for 8 years. Now it’s time for righty crazies to crawl out from under the rocks and dark places where they’ve been hiding to make conservatism look like an ideal home for kooks, paranoids, and other unbalanced denizens who inhabit a creepy reality of their own making that bears little resemblance to the real world.

Conservatives will laugh this kind of thing off as an aberration. But I am telling my fellow righties that we ignore this crap to the detriment of the rest of us who oppose the administration’s actions. With pop-cons like Hannity, Beck, Coulter, and other conservative celebrities mouthing some of this nonsense (while implying even worse) on a daily basis, more and more of the base are turning into unhinged, screaming maniacs who believe America is being “destroyed” by Obama and the liberals.

This screed is symptomatic of the sickness of thought and reason that afflicts many conservatives today - more than we are prepared to acknowledge and far more than one would normally expect from a philosophy that supposedly prides itself on prudence, rationality, and probity.

You can dismiss Robinson and his unhinged followers. But they aren’t going away and their influence can only grow if we ignore them.

UPDATE

Ooooh my bad. Jim Robinson isn’t just any ordinary schmuck. He is founder of Freeperland.

If I were to seriously analyze Robinson’s thoughts in that post, I would say that anyone who advocated the kinds of changes he does would make Obama look like a piker in the “change” department. Robinson’s ideas are beyond radical — they are ill-informed, impossible, and reactionary.

How reactionary? Robinson posits a government that does not return us to our constitutional roots but rather to a pre-constitutional system not unlike the Articles of Confederation. Anyone who can’t see that in all of his state’s rights bullshit doesn’t know much about history.

Someone should wake Mr. Robinson up and inform him that we are a continental, 21st century industrialized nation of 300 million people and not an 18th century agrarian coastal republic of 7 million.

Not that it would make much difference to Robinson. We have to revolt to ban abortion and toss out social security and the IRS.



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To: Locomotive Breath
About Me - Rick Moran

"RIGHTWING NUTHOUSE is administered by Rick Moran, a 52 year old libertine from Algonquin, IL.

A freelance writer(IOW-A Loser) with more than 15 years experience in grass roots political action, Moran has worked for a number of business trade associations running programs that teach local businessmen how to become active in the political process. Among the trade associations he has worked for at both the national and local level are The Associated Builders and Contractors (ABC) , the American Subcontractors Association (ASA), and the Painting and Decorating Foundation (PDF)...."

WOW!! This guy is surely the next William F. Buckley!


61 posted on 07/19/2009 11:29:25 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Locomotive Breath

MAN STOLE BEER IN HIS UNDERWARE


62 posted on 07/19/2009 11:31:45 AM PDT by DeaconRed (BO STINKS-AND THROWS LIKE A GIRL-AND IS A FRAUD)
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To: Mr. Know It All
Jim Thompson is NOT SOME FREEPER. He OWNS and RUNS this site!!

;)

63 posted on 07/19/2009 11:33:11 AM PDT by Admin Moderator (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Voter#537
That is all I could think of th say to this post. . . . . .
Its a couple of post down and seems to make more sense than anything else about the answers I have seen.
64 posted on 07/19/2009 11:35:07 AM PDT by DeaconRed (BO STINKS-AND THROWS LIKE A GIRL-AND IS A FRAUD)
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To: ChocChipCookie

>>> “Perfect, just perfect. Conservatives/Republicans eating their own. Isn’t that what got us into this mess in the first place?”

Nope...

What got us into this mess was accepting the existence of socialism and then marxism in this nation. Treating their “concerns” and their “issues” as legitimate... Now we are at the point that the only way out of this mess is to disassociate ourselves from the complete idiots that vote the marxists into office.

“Conservatism”, “conservatives” or whatever the hell you want to call people who DEMAND their freedom, their liberty and their rights as human beings are NOT the problem. When those people finally get sick and f-—ing tired of waiting around for people to come to their senses and start taking measures to regain what was taken from them... That is not a problem... That is the solution....

Im done being polite to folks who choose to be part of the problem, be they the marxists in office, the idiots who vote for them, the socialist republicans or the fake “conservatives” who support them and council restraint...

The only way to get our freedom back is to TAKE IT BACK!

Play time is OVER ... Its time to get deadly serious...


65 posted on 07/19/2009 11:35:29 AM PDT by myself6 (.)
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To: ChocChipCookie
I think what got us into this mess is that we voted conservative and got country club Republicanism.

We've talked a lot about Rinos on FR, but the Republican party, prior to Reagan, was the big money party of the rich, east coast set. Reagan was the first Republican that brought in blue collar voters. Nixon had some success because the Democrats were effectively taken over by the communists in 68-72, and conservatives had no place to go.

After Reagan, Bush I and then Bush II moved in policy back towards the tax breaks for large corporations, create government projects for large corporations (ethanol, for example) and effectively kneecapped conservative candidates (endorsing Specter in the primary over Toomey.) While they threw an occasional bone to the religious conservatives, they ignored that Reagan had built a three legged base that was unbeatable. Fiscal conservatives+social conservatives+libertarians. Personally, I don't believe any one can exist without the other two. Social liberalism breeds one parent families, drug addiction and other societal problems that create a large number of people who cannot work or feed themselves. Social liberalism WILL breed economic liberalism. When economic liberalism breeds a constituency that believes the government will take care of them regardless of the idiocy of their personal choices, liberty will suffer, and the libertarian mantra of "you can do drugs, but don't ask me to pay for it" will fall by the way side.

Here on FR, the libertarians and social conservatives bash each other relentlessly, with no outside help from liberals. The simple fact is, though, you either restrain yourself or someone else restrains you. Libertarianism cannot exist without a moral code. It will become anarchy, and after anarchy comes rule by the strong man. Similarly, fiscal conservatism will not survive without social conservatism. The social conservatives do not understand that social conservatism cannot survive without fiscal conservatism and libertarianism.

66 posted on 07/19/2009 11:38:23 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Locomotive Breath
Okay, Rick, is it permissible to say that although the Obama Administration may not be the Antichrist and his minions, or a pack of traitors, it is undeniably one big sorry clusterfornication?
67 posted on 07/19/2009 11:40:24 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Locomotive Breath

Deep end?

I’m just proposing we roll back the damage done to liberty and freedom by the progressive era.

Restore our state sovereignty.

Restore our constitutional limits on government.

Roll back the socialist New Deal.

Roll back the socialist Great Society.

Eliminate Jimmuh Carter’s socialist meddling.

End the police state!

End the Nanny state!

End the welfare state!

Restore Liberty, Equality and Justice for ALL as our Founders intended and our fighting men and women have fought and died to affirm, secure and defend ever since!!

Socialism is slavery!


68 posted on 07/19/2009 11:49:39 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/jimrobfr)
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To: Locomotive Breath

He is a troll.


69 posted on 07/19/2009 12:01:46 PM PDT by Danae (I AM JIM THOMPSON - Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Locomotive Breath

I wonder how we came out winners in the revolutionary war without Rick Moran et al telling us how silly, stupid and psychotic it was to fight for liberty and against tyrants!


70 posted on 07/19/2009 12:24:51 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Locomotive Breath
Recently Mr. Moran was a guest on the Lee Rodgers Show (KSFO). Mr. Moran chuckled and brushed aside Lee Rodgers' similar concerns about the Obama Administration. Rodgers seemed surprised at Moran's response, it seemed to me.

BTW, searches reveal that Moran has known Free Republic for years; so what's he up to acting(?) like he has no idea who the owner is?

I recall past writings of Mr. Moran. Is he a Michael-Savage-like independent conservative?

71 posted on 07/19/2009 12:27:48 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Does FreeRepublic have a Zott Czar?


72 posted on 07/19/2009 12:28:15 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: Locomotive Breath
First, I could have lifted the exact same verbiage from any of 50 lefty blogs while Bush was in office. It was stupid then and it’s stupid now

Dear Rich Moran,

If you don't understand that President Bush did everything he could to make this a better country and Obama has done the opposite there's no sense in debating you.

73 posted on 07/19/2009 12:34:29 PM PDT by McGruff (Paid for by Fred Robinson / Jim Thompson 2012)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
By the time the Left deciphers gonzo genealogy, Jimmy Bob Thompson ("Tell Them Thommy Boy Is Here") will have them in the palm of his mighty hand--and drink their milkshake.
74 posted on 07/19/2009 12:36:24 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: Locomotive Breath
Some Freeper named Jim Robinson

I am sure this man put some research and thought behind what he was writing...

75 posted on 07/19/2009 12:38:38 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support & pray for our Troops; they serve us every day. Veterans are heroes not terrorists!)
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To: Mark

Jim Thompson ... he’s the czar keeping Peggy Noonan’s name off of the Freerepublic spell checker.


76 posted on 07/19/2009 12:39:25 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Moran needs to ask Vanna for a different vowel so he can correct the spelling of his own last name.

I wonder what it feels like to have your head buried in the sand?


77 posted on 07/19/2009 12:39:28 PM PDT by surfer
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To: Locomotive Breath
"Someone should wake Mr. Robinson up and inform him that we are a continental, 21st century industrialized nation of 300 million people and not an 18th century agrarian coastal republic of 7 million."

Obama and his Democrat Party disagree with the above statement. An 18th century or even earlier agrarian level of existence is exactly where Obama and the Democrat Party want to put America. Except for themselves and their liberal/Marxist friends and family of course.

78 posted on 07/19/2009 12:45:35 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: BOBTHENAILER
"I'll set the record straight."

Now, is Rick Moran related to Jim Moran, the pugilistic Congressional representative that I can't seem to vote out, no matter how hard I try, who apparently beat up on women, little boys, and guys in Old Town, whose relative Brian Moran ran for VA governor and lost in the Dem primary with a slogan "I'll fight for you?"

Just wondering if there was a connection.

79 posted on 07/19/2009 1:02:28 PM PDT by elk
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To: Locomotive Breath
Do a search on Jim Thompson.

He won't find him. There was a coup last night and Thompson was flown to Toledo in his Jihad jammies.....

80 posted on 07/19/2009 1:08:32 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Who's your Long Legged MacDaddy?)
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